[quote author=Commatoze link=board=2;threadid=17331;start=0#162111 date=1058744005]<br>[quote author=Mexstan link=board=2;threadid=17331;start=0#162107 date=1058742632]<br>You say that &quot;there seems to be a need&quot; for something like this. Personally I have not seen the need so am curious as to how you arrive at this conclusion. What are your statistics to back up your claim?<br>[/quote]<br><br>Well, were are your &quot;no need&quot; stats then? ;D I think Buzz's evidence may have arisen from the number of people who express dismay in the direction DTR has chosen to take.<br><br>Commatoze (admitted xenophobe)<br>[/quote]<br><br>Thing is for every negative email I receive about the change, I get 5 positives, so I think the site is moving in the right direction, and that doesn't include the emails other staff are getting. Either way, I don't mind him starting an all Dodge site. That's what I did two years ago and we've grown quite a bit. I'm sure his will to <br><br>Jack

 

[quote author=Mexstan link=board=2;threadid=17331;start=#162107 date=1058742632]<br>You say that &quot;there seems to be a need&quot; for something like this. Personally I have not seen the need so am curious as to how you arrive at this conclusion. What are your statistics to back up your claim?<br>[/quote]<br><br>HMMmm, if there WASN'T any need for a site like that, why did Jack start THIS one a few years back - and why did the membership grow to over 6000 in the passing years? Why are there dedicated Ford and GM sites if there is &quot;no need&quot; - OR interest in single-brand sites? *I* sure don't need statistics to convince me such a &quot;need&quot; or desire exists!<br><br>Many joined here because it WAS a Dodge-only site, and liked what they saw. Some are disappointed because of the change - that isn't hard to accept or understand - those who disagree are entirely free to do as they choose - and those who remain have no reason to feel threatened or somehow abused it IS a free country - Jack can do as he pleases, and others can as well...<br><br>For my part, I'm taking a wait-and-see, open-minded approach, and will continue to participate and contribute here - if it becomes something I don't like, I have the freedom to do something else with my time and effort, just like everyone else...

 

I'm not sure why you're asking me this because I have no plans to do anything if some people leave. It's no skin off my back. We all knew before making this change that not everyone would be happy, and we expected this to happen. I guess people think that it really bothers me that some people are upset. To the contrary. I'm not bothered by it at all because as I've stated before, for every negative comment, I get 5 positives.. Not an issue...

Then what's stopping them? Not me. I have no plans to even attempt such a thing. There isn't a need. We're averaging 15-20 new members per day and our post counts are rising, even moreso after the change. As for registration, I track the numbers of new registrations on all the sites I can get the info from. Take the TDR for instance. We were 11,000+ members behind them this last year. We're now 10264 members behind them 7 months later. They're going to be bigger than us for a long time, which I don't mind, but we ARE gaining ground in the user department. Dieselram.com 10 months ago had 1000 more users than us. They now have 3200+ members, which is great, but we're almost 3000 ahead of them now, in less than a year. Nothing against them, Rob Spading is a great guy, and he STARTED this whole thing with dieselram.com way back when. I was one of his first members. However, given the stats and the comments that I have received personally, I think the site is moving in the right direction. Don't expect it to go back to Dodge only, and don't expect us to come running and begging people to stay... It aint gonna happen, there is no need.

 

&quot;if some people leave. It's no skin off my back....I guess people think that it really bothers me that some people are upset. To the contrary. I'm not bothered by it at all...&quot;
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HMMmmm - perhaps I'm being a bit over-sensitive, but the overall tone of that complete post is somewhat chilling to me as an active member and contributor here...

This - or any OTHER Internet board is no more important than it's USERS - without those members, like a newspaper without readers or news to print, they would DIE!

I freely admit the importance of THIS board as a meeting place to exchange information and experiences related to our trucks - and I consider myself - and those like me - to be a valuable resource to the continued SUCCESS of this board - and reading stuff like the above sorta makes me suspect that OUR contributions - AND viewpoints are considered to be of little value or importance to this board.

Maybe the above needs to be rethought or reworded?

Otherwise. it comes off as indifferent, arrogant and insensitive to the opinions, views and preferences of the MANY who all made contributions to enable this board to be what it is today - I'll absolutely flat-out guarantee you it wasn't purely the presence of the Administrator or moderators ALONE that made this board happen - it was the helpful participation of ALL the regular contributors that did that - and THEIR viewpoint IS of value, whether the upper management chooses to acknowledge that fact or NOT!

The lead comments above remind me of a couple who have been going steady - and ONE of them tells the other, &quot;I've decided *I* am going to start seeing other partners on dates - I really don't care WHAT *you* think about it - in fact, if you want to leave, that's entirely OK with me, I don't need you anyway...&quot;

I think any sensible suitor would instantly make a quick decision as to where they stood in the view of the other, and act accordingly... Is that what WE existing members are being told - we're not of enough particular importance that OUR views or opinions are needed or wanted - that if we leave, we sure won't be missed?

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&quot;if some people leave. It's no skin off my back&quot;
&quot;I'm not bothered by it at all&quot;
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Sure SOUNDS that way...

IF, at ANY time, Administrators or moderators figure MY presence and contributions here are of so little value, they REALLY don't care if I go or stay, they will have already made MY decision for me!

*I* value this board and the other members here, AS WELL AS their individual opinions on a wide array of subjects - and I propose that the folks who run this board MIGHT just place a little more value upon the feelings and wishes of those who helped MAKE this board the success it is today as well...

We're all in this together... ;D ;D ;D