Finally have a little cash to do some bombing.
Curious: I found a SC single disk TC and VB for approx $1200.
Would this combo hold the power from the Dr. P module in my sig with the addition of 90 HP injectors and a Smarty on high??

 

Don't see why it wouldn't. I'm running just a VB on the stock TC and I'm holding the numbers in my sig.

 

Impressive. SO is that to say that I could forgo the TC and just get a good VB?? Or will the stock TC (even with a better VB) grenade from that kind of power??

 

I'd definately say do the TC and VB. My tranny is a freak. It was only designed to hold 350hp. I know I'm on borrowed time. But for what your gonna be throwing at it a TC and VB should be fine.

 

you might check HTS before your order, i think they're having a special on Suncoast triple disk / valve body for not much more $

Randy

 

Im running a triple disc Goerend Bros Converter,and transgo shift kit. The shift kit is about $60 on ebay, and the converter is $1200. The transgo seems to do pretty good. Id say it would be fine for any triple disc converter with no more power than that. I dont know how much power suncoast's single disc converter is made for, but I like the triple I have now a lot better than the single, just because I know the converter is done with. It doesent get any better than a triple disc, so i know i wont be slipping the converter no matter what I do. Now the rest of the trans is a different story, but at least im done with the converter . Id say a good VB, and single disc would hold though. Just depends on what you want to do. But I do suggest that if you go with a single disc converter, that you run the same company's VB, and not just a shift kit like I have. Single Disc's need higher line pressures to hold because they dont have as much clutch area; And if you go with the same company's VB they will be setup to run the correct line pressures for the converter you have. IMO triple discs dont care as much what the line pressure is. I feel you could run a triple, and stock VB, and be fine with that power as far as the converter goes, but Id say the clutches in the transmission would appreciate the extra line pressure of a VB or shift kit in order to help them clamp harder. Sorry for the long post, and I am no tranny expert, but this is my knowledge based off the little experience i have had with mine. Let us know what you do.

Eric

 

The SC single disc has a larger surface area than the stock TC. I would also extremely & highly recommend going to the laminated Flex plate that SC makes. There may be some here that will tell you that you don't need it. I had my vacation ruined this year in January when my 6 month old recently installed flex plate crashed & bombed my SC triple loc, causing me to have to buy another set up & have installed by the SC crew at Ft Walton. The valve body business is a bunch of BS. Mine has a 12 dollar spring kit that I watched the guy install in my valve body & drill a hole out for more flow. Don't waste a lot of money on a valve body. Any decent tranny guy can build you one. the various spring kits change your VB pressure on your clutches & such. The tranny guys buy them from their suppliers for 12 bucks, then charge you 3 or 400 bucks. It is a racket.

 

Umm, maybe your guy did that, but I know for a fact that most other companies do more than just add a spring. I know DTT actually dyno tests their VB's before they leave their factory and installs all new parts and does new seals and calibrates and sets the pressures and RPM points and probably a lot of other stuff. I doubt that just a spring alone would hold 438hp/996tq on an other stock 106k mile abuse tranny. There's probably a reason why the VB's cost $400 as I'm sure that there's a lot more that goes into them than what you and I see or know about. Probably a lot of proprietary information.

 

BB I watched the whole process with my own 2 eyes. He did not check pressures & such, as he did not need to. he knew what I wanted, when i told him I wanted firm shifting, but no harsh bumps when changing gears. He did put the couple of seals you mentioned, which are nothing me than little O Rings, if I remember right. You should know that no matter whether it is DTT or SC, or who ever, that they are selling name brand & overhead. It is BS. I would like to see a VB dynoed. How do you dyno a VB? They must not know what they are doing if they have to do everyone of them. I agree with quality control, but at some point, they should be used to putting the same little o-rings & spring kits in a separated VB & drilling a hole. If they can't, then I don't want one of theirs, whose ever it is.
Look at my signature. I have over 150,000 miles on this one VB that has been through a lot of heavy pulling & pure Hell applied to it. It is no joke, except on those who choose to pay 400 bucks for a VB. I have SC clutch packs, billet shafts,TC, laminated flex plate, that works great with this old 12 dollar VB.

 

Checking pressures is a smart thing to do. Your guy might have gotten lucky but to much pressure is just as bad as to little. I'm sure there are ways to dyno a VB. Such as hooking it to a machine that varies rpm's and the pressure in the VB to make sure that everything is acting properly and with no leaks. And personally, I much prefer if they go and check every single one of them to make sure that nothing is wrong. It might just be the same old thing but as it is with anything else mistakes can and will happen and the only way to catch those mistakes before they make it to the customer is to inspect each and every single unit. I find that a trait that is rare in today's society. I've got almost 30k put on mine with just this VB. Stock clutches, TC, flex plate, shafts, everything. My truck has seen lock to lock shifts, power braking (in it's early days I sat at every stop light power braking it trying to blow the tranny but never could), drag racing, poor maintenance, all sorts of stuff.

Like everything else, this boils down to opinions. I prefer somebody who inspects each and everyone of his products even if it means it costs me more. Piece of mind has no price with me.

 

Blue has a point there. I much rather pay a lil more to get something that has been inspected to insure quality.

 

You previously said DTT Dynos everyone of theirs, now it sounds like ummm maybe you are not real sure, but merely offering an opinion. If you are willing to spend a lot more money, for what you think has been checked , then by all means, do so. The guy that built mine, is no rookie. He is in Atlanta, & builds trannies for many racing applications for many different people, including Diesel HP junkies such as us. He knows his stuff, PERIOD. He doesn't have to run a bunch of checks on it, except when we hook it up, he checks it. Didn't cost me but about 50 bucks for his knowledge & parts to build my VB. So spend spend away, on what you think is dynoed & hooked up to some kind of machine, that might check this or that.

 

Opinions or facts, that is the ????

 

From BigBlue....

 

I've watched Dusty @ HTS build valve bodies and it was far from a spring kit and one hole drilled. VB's are are very customizable, and need to be done by someone that not only knows the valve body well in the stock configuration, but can engineer one if fit personal preference and performance needs. Anybody can put in a shift kit, few can build a good VB. Do they make money on a VB, you bet they do, but well worth it to me.

Randy