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Old Mar 14, 2010 | 10:08 PM
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Propane injection, why not?

I have been debating the use of propane injection, can anyone afford any insight into why or why not to use, the kits are available for about 700usd.
any thoughts?
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 12:34 AM
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propane is expencive! water meth is cheaper.
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 12:54 AM
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propane is expencive! water meth is cheaper.
great response, why....hp vs hp
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 06:29 AM
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Water/Meth is infinitely more adjustable and can serve more then one purpose.

You can run straight water when towing to keep EGT's (with a HP bump to go with it) in check or you can add in Methanol for added HP. With the latest offerings from Cooling Mist or Snow you can make the flow progressive on Boost or EGT and you can adjust the flow rates on the fly. You can fill up most anywhere on both water or methanol.
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by VICIOUS FISHER
I have been debating the use of propane injection, can anyone afford any insight into why or why not to use, the kits are available for about 700usd.
any thoughts?
i have a homemade propane unit,i like it and it works well
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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water meth adds timming so use in moderation.
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by matthais
water meth adds timming so use in moderation.
Any fuel added via the intake air stream advances the timing.
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 04:10 PM
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I'm confused. How does it add timing?
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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I'm confused. How does it add timing?
It contributes to pre ignition from compression. When the fuel is direct injected it is done at the point where ignition is desired. When a fuel source is added to the air stream it can/will auto ignite due to compression and could do it well in advance of the desired ignition point.
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 07:41 PM
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It contributes to pre ignition from compression. When the fuel is direct injected it is done at the point where ignition is desired. When a fuel source is added to the air stream it can/will auto ignite due to compression and could do it well in advance of the desired ignition point.
So water/meth and propane have similar problems regarding pre-ignition? From what I have read, managed correctly propane could add 80-100 hp.
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Old Mar 16, 2010 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CamperAndy
It contributes to pre ignition from compression. When the fuel is direct injected it is done at the point where ignition is desired. When a fuel source is added to the air stream it can/will auto ignite due to compression and could do it well in advance of the desired ignition point.
Sorry but this is not a 100% correct. Not all fuels will compression ignite in a diesel. If the fuel does not ignite it will start burning when the diesel starts to ignite it will not add any timing, but it will change the rate of the burn and if the rate is increased dramatically it will raise cylinder head pressure and increase combustion temperatures. One of the characteristics of diesel is its relatively slow combustion rate in comparison to gasoline. This is why most diesels are built with long strokes and run at lower RPMs to take advantage of this. It creates more power which we love so much
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by VICIOUS FISHER
So water/meth and propane have similar problems regarding pre-ignition? From what I have read, managed correctly propane could add 80-100 hp.
Key words there.
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by slowflyer2112
Sorry but this is not a 100% correct. Not all fuels will compression ignite in a diesel. If the fuel does not ignite it will start burning when the diesel starts to ignite it will not add any timing, but it will change the rate of the burn and if the rate is increased dramatically it will raise cylinder head pressure and increase combustion temperatures. One of the characteristics of diesel is its relatively slow combustion rate in comparison to gasoline. This is why most diesels are built with long strokes and run at lower RPMs to take advantage of this. It creates more power which we love so much
We are talking about propane and methanol, these will auto ignite with detrimental effect if used incorrectly.
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CamperAndy
We are talking about propane and methanol, these will auto ignite with detrimental effect if used incorrectly.
Pure propane or 100% Meth.....sure.
But Methanol mixed with 50% or more H2O, no evidence of same.
I've been running 50/50 mix for years, racing and towing in mountains, with no evidence at all on any detonation.

RJ
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