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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 05:22 PM
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Nitrous usage calculation

After unsuccessfully searching Google for the last few days, I'll ask here. I'm trying to find formulas for the following:

1. How much fuel can be supported with a specific amount of nitrous@800psi assuming that the engine is completely burning it's current air/fuel. - Just want to figure out how much extra fuel the n2o can burn with a (50,100,200...) shot.

2. I'm also trying to fill out the blanks in my sheet below:

Different fuel burn rates & temps:
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                       Flash Point   AutoIgnition  BTU/lb    Supported %n2o/fuel:
Diesel                  120°F            500°F      ____             ______
Butyl alcohol            99°F            649°F      ____             ______
Methanol                 54°F            851°F      9,500 BTU/lb     ______
Isopropanol              54°F            797°F      ____             ______
Nitromethane             95°F            784°F      5,000 BTU/lb     ______
Nitro should support the most fuel since it's optimum A/F is 1.71:1. Methanol's is ~6.0:1. Any help would be appreciated in determining the correct ratios of nitrous to fuel. Thanks!

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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 11:28 AM
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I'd just start throwing different amounts at it (start out small) until the smoke clears up and the EGT's are where you want them.
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 01:12 PM
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Be like Doug from Diesel Innovations..but he did it with Propane.....Turn your bottle up then drive when you hear major detenation back it off a lil.
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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Just run some of it into the cab, then you won't care anymore! You'll be happy no matter what

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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 09:27 PM
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Thats the way to do it. And you will be laughin even when you blow up your motor.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 09:40 AM
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Well, when the 12V is back together I'll let you know how my snow performance does injecting a methanol, nitro mix.

Sorry I can't help you Brandon. I'd say Don could tell you, but he might have to get out his scientific calculator, LOL.

Merrick
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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methanol+nitro= another rebuild for Merrick
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:23 AM
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Firstly, there is a bunch of hidden oxygen in Nitromethane. Just add heat to break it open

Since most nitrous bottle are in the 1000 PSI range here are some good numbers for you to input into your flow rate calcs:

Jet size-- lbs/hour

14- 28.8
16- 36.0
18- 50.4
20- 64.8
22- 79.2
24- 93.6
26- 86.4
28- 108.0
31- 129.9
33- 136.8
35- 151.2
38- 172.8
41- 208.0
46- 273.6
52- 331.2
57- 410.4
62- 489.6
70- 547.2
73- 597.6
78- 676.8
82- 720.0
88- 763.2

The amount of HP added is not always tied to the amount of smoke you see leaving the tail pipe. We are never stoichiometric with fueling boxs and big injectors. No matter how clean the pipe is. With big nitrous and the proper airflow you could add 200 plus HP worth of Nitrous. Even with twin turbos and clean injectors!

Im not certain how long your engine will like it though.

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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by HOHN
methanol+nitro= another rebuild for Merrick
So funny. LOL

Just think when I try a hydrogen/methanol/nitromethanol mix.

I think I'll start with 50% water, and 16% of hydrogen peroxide, nitromethanol, and methanol. Then start lowering the water % while raising the % of the others.

What do you think Don?

Merrick
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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I personally think your nuts. But that's just me.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 08:35 PM
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We all think he's nuts.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 08:41 PM
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"Stay away from Drugs"....is what I think!

A truck drunk on methanol, alcohol, or whatever the flavor of the month might be this week...is not a happy truck for long.

A truck high on laughing gas is happier longer than a drunk truck, but still feels bad after a long night of sucking on the blue bottle.

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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 09:59 PM
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Thanks Don! That should help with the calcs some. I'm not that smart when it comes to getting that data.

Merrick, might I suggest adding the drugs after a solid month of the truck running first? Just kiddin' man!

brandon.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:36 PM
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LOLOLOL, we are some "below the belt hitting b-stards"!
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by joefarmer

Merrick, might I suggest adding the drugs after a solid month of the truck running first? Just kiddin' man!

brandon.
It's barely had a month of run time since I bought it, LOL.

So far, it's about a year and a half old (to me), and I've put only 3,000 miles on it.

What's a good break in time before puttin' the baby on life support?

I think I'll name my truck, "Stupor".


Merrick
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