Are these affordable?

 

Five bills. Judging from responses from users, thats a very high SMILE to $$ ratio


Kevin

 

I am shipping more to marco in the morning, just in case you are ready to fall off the fence

 

I have been trying to follow this MAD catcher, and to figure out if it is for me. Are there any problems putting this on a HO? If I put it on a HO and added another box later (comp,pm3....) is there a specific box I should go with? Are there other bombs I should not do once the Mad is installed, or can I add as if it was stock? Is there a specific MAD that i should get? I plan on adding injectors in the futer what ones should I get to go with the MAD and not put out too muck smoke? I know it is a lot of questions but I keep reading about don't add timing to a HO and then you can add timing just nut to much ect ect... Just trying to learn from other people and see what works and what is worth getting.

 

bob,
has the issue with the cruise control been fixed. i had heard that some of the trucks were having problems with surgging when using the cc with the mad ecm.

 

There are two MAD ECM's. One with timing for use with a TST, and one without timing for use with a Comp. Don or maybe one ofthe other injector experts can fix you up with the appropriate injector for your application depending on what products you buy. Marco or someone else can comment on whats best for an HO.



I too would like to know some comparison results of a MAD ECM with Comp vs. MAD ECM with TST. Comparison with either stock turbos or hybrids. Which one has the most area under the curve. Which has the biggest grin inducing qualities? Does one work better with a six speed vs. a automatic in terms of spoolup or response?

 

mkubacak

No offense, but that's a tall order that you are asking for in terms of all of the comparisons. To many variables and almost impossible since trucks and dynos vary to much. The easiest comparison that you are asking would be the CaTCHER Comp box verses CaTCHER TST Pm3. Leastways not hot parts to mess with between dyno runs.

 

If you run a MAD and a box(comp or pm3) can u stack a redline box to get the rpms or is that programmed in the ecm? Sorry im a little undervalved guy learning
carty

 

I know it is alot, but just wondering what if any testing guys like Don and Bob have done and what are the results. I want a MAD ECM, and I don't mind ditching my Comp if it is not as good as another combo. If one is better, then the next question is how much better? Ten peak horsepower would not be worth the expense, but if you were talking an average of 25 horsepower across the curve, then I might look at an alternative. I am just looking for any info out there, so I can make an informed decision.

 

the hp gain over stock on my truck was 66, I run the catcher and Mach 4's with dodgezilla 40/35 and that is good for 401/833


and here is the curve

 

Basically there are two types of boxes. The Edge and the other's. The Edge boxes do add timing the other's do not. Now, we've had problems with a few trucks where the Edge boxes had been stacked to the CaTCHER. The increased timing from the CaTCHER plus the timing from the box was too much and hurt the top Hp.

That has been solved with a different timing in the CaTCHER. The "special" CaTCHER.

If you use, or plan to use Comp box, you're better off with the special CaTCHER.

Helps?

Marco

 

how about some comparisons with the comp only and the mad only,or the tst3 only and the mad only,no stacking.has this been done?

 

Dave, that is a useless comparison since they are totally different animals...

The MAD is nothing at all like any add-on box... It is a reprogram of the ECM itself and eliminates the fueling rate limiters and timing advance limiters that dodge insisted cummins program in.

I dont know how else to explain this other than.... drive a MAD ECM truck..... then you will get it.....

whats it that the harley people say.... " If I had to explain, you wouldnt understand...." or something like that.... From everyone who has one, this is how they seem to explain it......


It is much more of a 'rate of increase' thing than it is an absolute increase.... Buy all accounts, it is the driveability, response and the 'feel' that the truck is 1,000% quicker that sets the MAD ECM off from the others....



Kevin

 

ok then how about a stock truck,compared to a mad truck with no addons??is the mad ecm only geared towards using other addons?its not made to be used by itself??im just trying to see if its for me or not.from what you say it only takes the limiters off and doesnt add anyhp??just unleashes whats already there?so is it the same as aboost fooler and a anti defueller??

 

It is absolutely fine to use without another box.. Its a HUGE amount better than a boost fooler. Yes is adds horsepower but it adds TONS of RATE.... RATE RATE RATE... its all about RATE.... Dodge had cummins limit the RATE of torque rise so that in the lower gears there was less torque that was then multiplied by the trans lessening trans and rear end warranty claims. I dont want to speak for Marco, but I would bet that in 6th gear cruising at 60 MPH and a smack down of the pedal, the MAD might not be much better than an Edge. BUT............ But MAD ECM, Second gear, clutch out, then mash the pedal, bang third gear.... bang fourth gear.... LOOOK OUT BABY That painful lag in the lower gears that most people take to be turbo lag is the ECM limiters that dodge demanded.... Marcos little jewel does away with that.... and the truck accelerates CRAZY fast compared to a non-MAD truck...

We are really re-doing tons of literature that was discussed in tremendous detail on the TDR.. Do a search over there. There is a 10,000 views 20+ something page thread that goes into incredible detail on the MAD...

Other than that.... DRIVE ONE.... you will see.... It is nothing like any box out there....



Kevin