And who are the people at the top going to sell their wares/services to when the whole country is poor? America has been on the downward spiral for years. Each generation gets lazier and cares less. It will get much worse before it gets better. It's time to bulldoze this place and start over...

 

I heard an interesting thing on the radio this morning...

A lot of the reason we see liberal policies and laws coming about is because the liberals depend on the justice system to get their way. If they want something they sue somebody for it. If a conservative wants something they say, "I'll take care of it myself." They take care of it one-on-one, face to face.

Another example of this that the radio show host pointed out deals w/ anti-hunters and hunters...the anti-hunters are all rallied together in their groups and organizations where they can influence the gov't w/ their numbers and 1 voice. All the guys who just wanna go hunting are individuals (except for the NRA and a few others) that sometimes don't have the inside scoop of what's going on in the legislative system. They just wanna go out and shoot their gun at an animal, but for some reason they find hunting regulations have changed and they can't hunt in their favorite area due to the anti-hunters' influence on the gov't.

 

I live 20 minutes from the border and hang out south of the border often to surf,fish,4x, and relax with a margarita and the best food around. I assume most who have posted have never been to Mexico ( and I mean Baja-all way round to southern mainland Mexico). These people live in horrible poverty and are willing to do whatever it takes to feed their families.

I DO NOT support illegal immigration, but you get an aye opener to how they live and how they are willing to work harder than most Americans working in jobs that U.S. workers wont.

I have hired plenty of "Day Workers" and they have all worked harder than any Union laborer I have seen. I don't like it, but I can't blame them for coming up.

 

Like I said earlier, I been there and seen it. I don't blame them for wanting to leave. I do blame them for doing it illegally.I also blame them for beating down wages and benefits here. Why should they make a job untenable for a CITIZEN of the USA to take care of their NON-CITIZEN family and themselves? Why is this ok?

 

Actually, if I were to hire any Mexicans, legal or illegal, I don't think I'd have the heart to pay them any less than an American. But these big and greedy corporations and companies seem to have lost all sense of morality. Mexicans will do anything for a little bit of money and American companies will do anything for the most money. I'd almost have to say that the reason wages are being pushed down for Americans is because American companies are doing it. Mexicans will work regardless of pay, be it $2/hr or $15/hr. I feel the real problem is w/ business ethics today.

 

I cried when I looked in my door jamb and seen MADE IN MEXICO

 

There is a lot more coming up your way. For example, Ford is investing 1.5 BILLION dollars in it's 6,800 worker plant in Hermosillo, Sonora. By next August it will be turning out 300,000 vehicles a year for export.
Bombardier (a Canadian company) has just won a 5 year contract to supply several hundred railway locomotives to the North American market. The first 130 locomotives worth 250 million dollars are being supplied from Mexico to Union Pacific Railroad at a rate of 4 a week. After a 20 million dollar upgrade this Mexican plant in the state of Hidalgo expects to produce 250 locomotives a year.
I could make you cry harder still but that should be enough to get you going.

 

What is MADE IN AMERICA that we can be proud of ???????you think chain saws nope...I love my jonsered turbo its MADE IN SWEEDEN....... maybe john deere nope mine is MADE IN GERMANY what is the best of the best thats made here maybe allison tranys ?????? Im not sure where there from..............I think that NAFTA was a real bone to the U.S and if ROSS PER. was elected thing would be much better now

 

Jeeps are still made in Toledo, same plant for 60+ years
HD, still american
Seems alot of the bigger ticket items are imports, but there is alot of small everyday items that you never think about that are manufactured maybe right down the street. When it came time for a new bed, I bought a Simmons. It was made a mile from my house.

I don't blame the Mexicans one bit for coming here...
I blame our government for letting them in and businesses that hire them. The almighty dollar is more important than the law, and keeping our way of life intact. I don't like that when you go to the ATM you have to choose a language, automated phone systems you have to push 1 for english.
Around here they are cutting grass and builing houses.

They are not taking our jobs!! Employers are giving our jobs to them.

 

The answer to all this is the 'voting booth'. Vote out the politicians who are allowing this crap, and vote in some people that will work to set it right.

 

The Border Patrol is very upset that their new uniforms are made in Mexico- really.

I'm in agriculture and gave up hiring white Americans long ago, they're worthless for this type of work. I pay my Hispanic employees $2/hr over minimum wage whether they're legal or not. Sure I feel the borders need to be tightened up, the current free for all isn't right, but controlled immigration needs to keep happening.

 

If the free for all isn't right, then don't hire the illegals...
you want to hire the mexicans, make them do it legally. YOU, and the other cheap business owners are the reason for the free for all.

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Personal attacks of this nature do not belong on this forum. Feel free to post your views, but leave the name calling where it belongs...On the grade school playground.

 

So are you going to come harvest produce for 10 hours a 90° day?

 

I echo some of Rob's feelings here, but I don't think the American farmer is completely to blame here. They have to get their crops harvested and frankly if they don't hire illegals, then it may not happen.

The illegals come here looking to make a living, and they don't mind EARNING it. I am certain most of them would prefer to be legal, but the system as is... imperfect at best.

Obviously changes need to be made to the current system to allow for Farmers to get "Legal" migrant workers to work their crops.

As Bill states, he gladly pays ABOVE minimum wage so that he can get the employees he needs. It doesn't appear to me that any one in particular here wishes to break the law, more like the laws are antiquated and do not provide for the circumstances we see today.

I don't have the answer, but I can clearly see that changes to the current system need to be made. Thousands of Americans complain there is no work, yet they won't do the work that illegals risk their lives to find everyday.

JMHO

 

If that's where I lived and that was the job I needed to support my family, then yeah...

Don't tell me about heat, long days and back busting labor. Have you ever seen a camels' foot? big flat pad. you want hard work, go to the zoo I used to work at and use a pitch fork on 15" deep camel crap mixed with straw and hay, after 6 camels have walked and peed on it for a couple weeks. I did this for a year and a half, starting pay of $5.50 and topped out at $7.00.
elk pens were no picnic either. How about carrying 4 at a time, 5 gallon buckets of water to water an entire zoo, many pens did not have a spigot withing 50-75 yards, unless it was well below freezing, then there was 1 spigot that didn't freeze, this was N of Pittsburgh, winters are cold and summers are humid and hot. This was a 15 acre zoo with about 200 animals.
did I mention feeding and cleaning up after a Cobra and Eastern diamond back rattler?

but again, if you hire the illegals you are, in my opinion, taking away your right to complain about the situation.

I'm not blaming the farmers, I'm blaming anyone and everyone who hires illegals.


Admin: sorry for the way I worded my previous post, some things just hit me in a sore spot and it can bring out the worst in me...