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02-13-2004, 10:59 AM
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There is very little that warms my soul more than to see the conservative side of the coin take the steps out. I think its great!!!
Clinton was the thing that made this country so weak. Unable to defend ourselves, we struck out at any little uprising so that he could rattle his saber and try to convince the other countries that we were still able to take on the world. The sad truth was, we were not hardly able to do what we did. The reason? Deep budget cuts in the defense department.
Imagine where our economy would be today if that brain dead idea of national health care passed? You think you taxes are bad now...
I did hear GWB say something that gave me cause for pause the other day. He was discussing on some forum about how the Democrats are wanting to take away the tax cuts that let me take home an extra couple of hundred per month in the paycheck. He was right on the money by saying "thats a tax increase". Pure, plain and simple.
Never was I happier to see a Republican in the White House when 9-11 happened. I agree with a post that I read on here earlier about Gore being in office. He would still be waiting for the sanctions to work while trying to defend our nation with a skeleton military.
Lets be thankful for what we have. We live in the best country in the world where we can go here and there whenever we want. I for one and thankful that we have that privilege.
Clinton was the thing that made this country so weak. Unable to defend ourselves, we struck out at any little uprising so that he could rattle his saber and try to convince the other countries that we were still able to take on the world. The sad truth was, we were not hardly able to do what we did. The reason? Deep budget cuts in the defense department.
Imagine where our economy would be today if that brain dead idea of national health care passed? You think you taxes are bad now...
I did hear GWB say something that gave me cause for pause the other day. He was discussing on some forum about how the Democrats are wanting to take away the tax cuts that let me take home an extra couple of hundred per month in the paycheck. He was right on the money by saying "thats a tax increase". Pure, plain and simple.
Never was I happier to see a Republican in the White House when 9-11 happened. I agree with a post that I read on here earlier about Gore being in office. He would still be waiting for the sanctions to work while trying to defend our nation with a skeleton military.
Lets be thankful for what we have. We live in the best country in the world where we can go here and there whenever we want. I for one and thankful that we have that privilege.
02-13-2004, 11:13 AM
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I haven't checked this for facts, but it's interesting:
Subject: Fw: Worst President In History????????
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to
remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333
per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson turned Vietn! am into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad
while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
Subject: Fw: Worst President In History????????
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to
remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333
per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson turned Vietn! am into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad
while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
02-13-2004, 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by crobtex
I haven't checked this for facts, but it's interesting:
Subject: Fw: Worst President In History????????
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to
remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333
per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson turned Vietn! am into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad
while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
I haven't checked this for facts, but it's interesting:
Subject: Fw: Worst President In History????????
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
was the worst president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to
remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333
per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. Johnson turned Vietn! am into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia
never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad
while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
Very well done.
Whenever I Hear daschle or one of the other liberals speak, a quote always comes to mind.
"Intelligence has its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped."
I pray every night that we do not end up with hillary at some point.
02-13-2004, 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Jack Thorpe
Ok you will not vote for Bush. Who are you going to vote for?
You say you're pro military, so you're going to vote for someone who hates the military and wants to cut them back by the biggest margin ever dreamed of?
Clinton was all for it. But regardless, if you support the military, what makes you think Kerry is going to be the right vote? Your post makes no sense.
Ok you will not vote for Bush. Who are you going to vote for?
You say you're pro military, so you're going to vote for someone who hates the military and wants to cut them back by the biggest margin ever dreamed of?
Clinton was all for it. But regardless, if you support the military, what makes you think Kerry is going to be the right vote? Your post makes no sense.
If most people wasn't struggling to make ends meet Bush would be a shoe in for a second term as far as I am concerned,but for me I have lost my job of 17 years out the window due to out sourcing,and Bush has said we need to retrain folks for new jobs,well I did that, most out there with degrees are working at Mc Donalds and Burger King.
Kerry may not be the best choice,but he may be the only choice for me and my family,just because the Dow is up dosen't mean there are jobs to go with it,we are strugling to stay out of bankruptsy,my wife will be out of work soon,our schools have to shut down its transportation system because there is no money,and that will be the end of her job.
And as for Kerry,I don't know if he hate the military,I haven't heard that,all I know I have talked to a lot of people who want a change,I have three friends that are in the military two in Iraq and one in Afganistan,and I know how they feel,they are not Bush supporters,my brother was in the marine corp for 30 years and retired,he is pro Bush,but he understands where I am coming from.
I am sorry if this offends you Jack,it wasn't my intent.
PS:I know Clinton was all for Nafta,It was something both sides of the isle wanted.
02-13-2004, 04:28 PM
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I hope I'm not going to get flammed too much by this, but it appears alot of folks seemed to be all for joining the military as long as it involved putting in the 20 years sitting behind a desk, and attending luncheons and promotion ceremonies. Or joining the "guard" as long as it only involved a weekend a month to get the extra money.
Now they're being deployed overseas, and all of a sudden they realize "WOW!! I joined the armed forces, and they expect me to leave home and fight. I don't think I wanna be here anymore."
Just thinking out loud.
I'd hate to think of the US today if the election had gone the other way.
We would STILL be sending official letters of protest to the countries involved and the UN, instead of kicking some keester.
(Lord knows we wouldn't want to upset those poor terrorists, after all it's not them,....it's society's fault they do those mean things to innocent people)
Pulling on the asbestos PJs.
Now they're being deployed overseas, and all of a sudden they realize "WOW!! I joined the armed forces, and they expect me to leave home and fight. I don't think I wanna be here anymore."
Just thinking out loud.
I'd hate to think of the US today if the election had gone the other way.
We would STILL be sending official letters of protest to the countries involved and the UN, instead of kicking some keester.
(Lord knows we wouldn't want to upset those poor terrorists, after all it's not them,....it's society's fault they do those mean things to innocent people)
Pulling on the asbestos PJs.
02-13-2004, 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by crobtex
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.
I want to apologize now if I offend anyone with my next statements, but it is how I feel.
You are either PRO-WAR or PRO-TERRORIST, PRO-BUSH or PRO-SADDAM. If you are against the war, the you are pro-terrorist. If you are against Bush, you are pro-Saddam. Either stand with me or against me, but you can't straddle the fence.
02-13-2004, 04:58 PM
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Interesting points Dave65.
When is Kerry going to outline his plan? Right now he is all talk and only generalizes.
Politicians don't outsource to other countries.....business conditions do. If it was your company and your money, you would also do whatever it takes to make a profit. You would not run your plant or office here if you could do it for half the cost by crossing a border. Why would you pay someone here $15 per hour for workers and $25 per hour for union contractors to expand your business, when you can get a sufficient labor force for half of that else where. At one time the "cheap" labor was in the south... no more. There is no place left in this country to find cheap labor. The workers want top dollar and the stock holders want bigger gains.
IMHO, the only way to keep businesses here, is with government incentivies and "fair" wages. Government spending cuts are a must and I don't think there is a Democrat or Republican anywhere that can do that anytime soon. I guess bottom-line, there is no one out there with a quick fix or even a good long range plan.
Another IMHO, since I don't think this economy will change anytime soon, I would rather have a President that tries to protect me.
With all the problems, I'm still "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN", and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in this world.
CR
When is Kerry going to outline his plan? Right now he is all talk and only generalizes.
Politicians don't outsource to other countries.....business conditions do. If it was your company and your money, you would also do whatever it takes to make a profit. You would not run your plant or office here if you could do it for half the cost by crossing a border. Why would you pay someone here $15 per hour for workers and $25 per hour for union contractors to expand your business, when you can get a sufficient labor force for half of that else where. At one time the "cheap" labor was in the south... no more. There is no place left in this country to find cheap labor. The workers want top dollar and the stock holders want bigger gains.
IMHO, the only way to keep businesses here, is with government incentivies and "fair" wages. Government spending cuts are a must and I don't think there is a Democrat or Republican anywhere that can do that anytime soon. I guess bottom-line, there is no one out there with a quick fix or even a good long range plan.
Another IMHO, since I don't think this economy will change anytime soon, I would rather have a President that tries to protect me.
With all the problems, I'm still "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN", and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in this world.
CR
02-13-2004, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by crobtex
Interesting points Dave65.
When is Kerry going to outline his plan? Right now he is all talk and only generalizes.
Politicians don't outsource to other countries.....business conditions do. If it was your company and your money, you would also do whatever it takes to make a profit. You would not run your plant or office here if you could do it for half the cost by crossing a border. Why would you pay someone here $15 per hour for workers and $25 per hour for union contractors to expand your business, when you can get a sufficient labor force for half of that else where. At one time the "cheap" labor was in the south... no more. There is no place left in this country to find cheap labor. The workers want top dollar and the stock holders want bigger gains.
IMHO, the only way to keep businesses here, is with government incentivies and "fair" wages. Government spending cuts are a must and I don't think there is a Democrat or Republican anywhere that can do that anytime soon. I guess bottom-line, there is no one out there with a quick fix or even a good long range plan.
Another IMHO, since I don't think this economy will change anytime soon, I would rather have a President that tries to protect me.
With all the problems, I'm still "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN", and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in this world.
CR
Interesting points Dave65.
When is Kerry going to outline his plan? Right now he is all talk and only generalizes.
Politicians don't outsource to other countries.....business conditions do. If it was your company and your money, you would also do whatever it takes to make a profit. You would not run your plant or office here if you could do it for half the cost by crossing a border. Why would you pay someone here $15 per hour for workers and $25 per hour for union contractors to expand your business, when you can get a sufficient labor force for half of that else where. At one time the "cheap" labor was in the south... no more. There is no place left in this country to find cheap labor. The workers want top dollar and the stock holders want bigger gains.
IMHO, the only way to keep businesses here, is with government incentivies and "fair" wages. Government spending cuts are a must and I don't think there is a Democrat or Republican anywhere that can do that anytime soon. I guess bottom-line, there is no one out there with a quick fix or even a good long range plan.
Another IMHO, since I don't think this economy will change anytime soon, I would rather have a President that tries to protect me.
With all the problems, I'm still "PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN", and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in this world.
CR
So because of my views,I am not patriotic?
02-13-2004, 06:57 PM
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HUH?
I don't think anyone questioned your patriotism. Because you are an American and live in the USA, you can have any opinion you want to have, just as I can. Too bad Iraq and a lot of others don't have that option. Hmmmm....maybe someone will try to help them.
For the record: My brother-in-law is in Iraq and my nephew will probably be going, and they both support Bush.
CR
I don't think anyone questioned your patriotism. Because you are an American and live in the USA, you can have any opinion you want to have, just as I can. Too bad Iraq and a lot of others don't have that option. Hmmmm....maybe someone will try to help them.
For the record: My brother-in-law is in Iraq and my nephew will probably be going, and they both support Bush.
CR
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Originally posted by firestorm
You are either PRO-WAR or PRO-TERRORIST, PRO-BUSH or PRO-SADDAM. If you are against the war, the you are pro-terrorist. If you are against Bush, you are pro-Saddam. Either stand with me or against me, but you can't straddle the fence.
You are either PRO-WAR or PRO-TERRORIST, PRO-BUSH or PRO-SADDAM. If you are against the war, the you are pro-terrorist. If you are against Bush, you are pro-Saddam. Either stand with me or against me, but you can't straddle the fence.
02-13-2004, 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Dave65
[B]Makes sense to me Jack,I refuse to vote for a man who says losing jobs to overseas markets is good for our country,and who had tryed to cut overtime pay for workers who depend on it to make ends meet,Bush cares nothing about the working man or woman.
[B]Makes sense to me Jack,I refuse to vote for a man who says losing jobs to overseas markets is good for our country,and who had tryed to cut overtime pay for workers who depend on it to make ends meet,Bush cares nothing about the working man or woman.
If most people wasn't struggling to make ends meet Bush would be a shoe in for a second term as far as I am concerned,but for me I have lost my job of 17 years out the window due to out sourcing,and Bush has said we need to retrain folks for new jobs,well I did that, most out there with degrees are working at Mc Donalds and Burger King.
Kerry may not be the best choice,but he may be the only choice for me and my family,
1. I want higher taxes, and therefore, I want more business to go overseas.
2. I want to have a less secure nation because I want a President who is going to make huge cuts to our military.
3. I want a President who doesn't want to make decisions on his own because our President is supposed to consult the UN before we do anything.
4. I want a President who wants to give government more power, and create a state of socialism for our country.
5. I want a President who will force the top 10% of taxpayers to pay even more, while getting less because after all, what did we do to deserve to keep our own money? That money should go to those who are on welfare!
Again, it just doesn't make sense to me.
just because the Dow is up dosen't mean there are jobs to go with it,we are strugling to stay out of bankruptsy,my wife will be out of work soon,our schools have to shut down its transportation system because there is no money,and that will be the end of her job.
And as for Kerry,I don't know if he hate the military,I haven't heard that,all I know I have talked to a lot of people who want a change,
I am sorry if this offends you Jack,it wasn't my intent.
02-13-2004, 08:08 PM
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Jack, good point on doing business here.
My wife bought me the Collectors Edition of "Open Range". On the information cd, Kostner said that due to some of their money people not coming through, they had to film in Canada instead of Montana or Wyoming. He said he would prefer to film here, but they had to film in Canada to save several million dollars.
Go figure...................
CR
My wife bought me the Collectors Edition of "Open Range". On the information cd, Kostner said that due to some of their money people not coming through, they had to film in Canada instead of Montana or Wyoming. He said he would prefer to film here, but they had to film in Canada to save several million dollars.
Go figure...................
CR
02-14-2004, 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Jack Thorpe
I would like you to show me where Bush said that. I can't find any such statement, and I challenge you to show me proof that he said such a thing. If you can find it, then I would be glad to admit that I'm wrong. As for jobs going overseas, I already explained why I think this is happening. I've been working in business for quite some time, and lets face the facts. We live in a society that is build to make a profit. If that company can't make a profit, then you have to find ways to do so. Since it's very hard to do business in this country, and make a decent profit, many businesses take it overseas. The liberals get mad when companies do this, but they don't show any leeway in terms of giving those same businesses some incentive to stay. The libs need to make up their minds. Do they want business to stay or go? If they want it to stay, then let them prove it. Getting mad when they leave, then threatening to raise taxes is NOT the solution for keeping business in the USA.
I quit my job 2 months ago, and my last day is March 1. I have three offers on the table for new jobs with wide ranging salaries. All I have to do is take my pick. I'm not saying you're not working hard to find a job, but you may not be going about it in the right way. Employment is out there, I know because I'm looking right now. McDonalds isn't the only place hiring around here, and I doubt they're the only place hiring anywhere else.
I'm just curious why you think this. Remember what I said in my first paragraph. Kerry is going to make an attempt to repeal the tax cut that took place during the Bush administration. Wanna know what that is? That's known as a tax increase! What kind of incentive is that for companies to continue to do business in this country when they could go overseas and pay 50% of what they would have to pay to stay? It's ridiculous. To raise taxes just makes it that much more difficult. By voting for Kerry, people are saying:
1. I want higher taxes, and therefore, I want more business to go overseas.
2. I want to have a less secure nation because I want a President who is going to make huge cuts to our military.
3. I want a President who doesn't want to make decisions on his own because our President is supposed to consult the UN before we do anything.
4. I want a President who wants to give government more power, and create a state of socialism for our country.
5. I want a President who will force the top 10% of taxpayers to pay even more, while getting less because after all, what did we do to deserve to keep our own money? That money should go to those who are on welfare!
Again, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sorry to hear that, but if you think a Democrat is going to save the education system, you're wrong. They've been running our education system for years, and they fail every year. BUT, since the teachers unions have the dems in their pockets, it will continue to stay that way until someone stands up and says hey, wait a minute, why is my child doing so poorly? It's the democrats who eliminated an honors program locally, and removed the talented and gifted program in one of our districts because they felt it's too demeaning to the other children. SO, instead of incentivising kids to learn, they dumb them down to the lowest common denominator. Yeah, that's a good way to improve the educational system. It's a socialist system, and it doesn't work!!!!! If I put my kid in a private school, the money should follow my kid. Instead, because of the democrats, the money does not follow the kid. I have to pay the private school AND pay taxes to the local school district! Now tell me, why is this a good thing?? It's been proven time and time again that competition will improve the educational system. The dems ask for more money because they say they don't have enough yet private schools, and more specifically christian educational schools put higher percentages of kids in college with much higher GPA's. Guess what? Those private schools have less money and less resources then public schools, yet the educational quality is ten-fold better than any public school on the planet.
What kind of change do you want? You can't want change unless you know exactly what you're getting. Remember, this is the guy who used the F word when talking about the President. He did it publicly. Now that to me is sad. If you can't find another word to use, then you don't deserve to be President. On top of this, Kerry has offered no plan on how he would improve things. Instead of offering a plan, he offers Bush bashing. That can only work for so long before people start demanding answers. We have until November, and I have yet to see any kind of economic plan, or national security plan from any of them. They're too busy trying to dig up ridiculous stories about the President's military career, which will soon bite them right in the butt.
Believe me, you have not offended me by any means. I promise. You have confused me though.
I would like you to show me where Bush said that. I can't find any such statement, and I challenge you to show me proof that he said such a thing. If you can find it, then I would be glad to admit that I'm wrong. As for jobs going overseas, I already explained why I think this is happening. I've been working in business for quite some time, and lets face the facts. We live in a society that is build to make a profit. If that company can't make a profit, then you have to find ways to do so. Since it's very hard to do business in this country, and make a decent profit, many businesses take it overseas. The liberals get mad when companies do this, but they don't show any leeway in terms of giving those same businesses some incentive to stay. The libs need to make up their minds. Do they want business to stay or go? If they want it to stay, then let them prove it. Getting mad when they leave, then threatening to raise taxes is NOT the solution for keeping business in the USA.
I quit my job 2 months ago, and my last day is March 1. I have three offers on the table for new jobs with wide ranging salaries. All I have to do is take my pick. I'm not saying you're not working hard to find a job, but you may not be going about it in the right way. Employment is out there, I know because I'm looking right now. McDonalds isn't the only place hiring around here, and I doubt they're the only place hiring anywhere else.
I'm just curious why you think this. Remember what I said in my first paragraph. Kerry is going to make an attempt to repeal the tax cut that took place during the Bush administration. Wanna know what that is? That's known as a tax increase! What kind of incentive is that for companies to continue to do business in this country when they could go overseas and pay 50% of what they would have to pay to stay? It's ridiculous. To raise taxes just makes it that much more difficult. By voting for Kerry, people are saying:
1. I want higher taxes, and therefore, I want more business to go overseas.
2. I want to have a less secure nation because I want a President who is going to make huge cuts to our military.
3. I want a President who doesn't want to make decisions on his own because our President is supposed to consult the UN before we do anything.
4. I want a President who wants to give government more power, and create a state of socialism for our country.
5. I want a President who will force the top 10% of taxpayers to pay even more, while getting less because after all, what did we do to deserve to keep our own money? That money should go to those who are on welfare!
Again, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sorry to hear that, but if you think a Democrat is going to save the education system, you're wrong. They've been running our education system for years, and they fail every year. BUT, since the teachers unions have the dems in their pockets, it will continue to stay that way until someone stands up and says hey, wait a minute, why is my child doing so poorly? It's the democrats who eliminated an honors program locally, and removed the talented and gifted program in one of our districts because they felt it's too demeaning to the other children. SO, instead of incentivising kids to learn, they dumb them down to the lowest common denominator. Yeah, that's a good way to improve the educational system. It's a socialist system, and it doesn't work!!!!! If I put my kid in a private school, the money should follow my kid. Instead, because of the democrats, the money does not follow the kid. I have to pay the private school AND pay taxes to the local school district! Now tell me, why is this a good thing?? It's been proven time and time again that competition will improve the educational system. The dems ask for more money because they say they don't have enough yet private schools, and more specifically christian educational schools put higher percentages of kids in college with much higher GPA's. Guess what? Those private schools have less money and less resources then public schools, yet the educational quality is ten-fold better than any public school on the planet.
What kind of change do you want? You can't want change unless you know exactly what you're getting. Remember, this is the guy who used the F word when talking about the President. He did it publicly. Now that to me is sad. If you can't find another word to use, then you don't deserve to be President. On top of this, Kerry has offered no plan on how he would improve things. Instead of offering a plan, he offers Bush bashing. That can only work for so long before people start demanding answers. We have until November, and I have yet to see any kind of economic plan, or national security plan from any of them. They're too busy trying to dig up ridiculous stories about the President's military career, which will soon bite them right in the butt.
Believe me, you have not offended me by any means. I promise. You have confused me though.
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Originally posted by Jack Thorpe
I would like you to show me where Bush said that. I can't find any such statement, and I challenge you to show me proof that he said such a thing. If you can find it, then I would be glad to admit that I'm wrong. As for jobs going overseas, I already explained why I think this is happening. I've been working in business for quite some time, and lets face the facts. We live in a society that is build to make a profit. If that company can't make a profit, then you have to find ways to do so. Since it's very hard to do business in this country, and make a decent profit, many businesses take it overseas. The liberals get mad when companies do this, but they don't show any leeway in terms of giving those same businesses some incentive to stay. The libs need to make up their minds. Do they want business to stay or go? If they want it to stay, then let them prove it. Getting mad when they leave, then threatening to raise taxes is NOT the solution for keeping business in the USA.
I quit my job 2 months ago, and my last day is March 1. I have three offers on the table for new jobs with wide ranging salaries. All I have to do is take my pick. I'm not saying you're not working hard to find a job, but you may not be going about it in the right way. Employment is out there, I know because I'm looking right now. McDonalds isn't the only place hiring around here, and I doubt they're the only place hiring anywhere else.
I'm just curious why you think this. Remember what I said in my first paragraph. Kerry is going to make an attempt to repeal the tax cut that took place during the Bush administration. Wanna know what that is? That's known as a tax increase! What kind of incentive is that for companies to continue to do business in this country when they could go overseas and pay 50% of what they would have to pay to stay? It's ridiculous. To raise taxes just makes it that much more difficult. By voting for Kerry, people are saying:
1. I want higher taxes, and therefore, I want more business to go overseas.
2. I want to have a less secure nation because I want a President who is going to make huge cuts to our military.
3. I want a President who doesn't want to make decisions on his own because our President is supposed to consult the UN before we do anything.
4. I want a President who wants to give government more power, and create a state of socialism for our country.
5. I want a President who will force the top 10% of taxpayers to pay even more, while getting less because after all, what did we do to deserve to keep our own money? That money should go to those who are on welfare!
Again, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sorry to hear that, but if you think a Democrat is going to save the education system, you're wrong. They've been running our education system for years, and they fail every year. BUT, since the teachers unions have the dems in their pockets, it will continue to stay that way until someone stands up and says hey, wait a minute, why is my child doing so poorly? It's the democrats who eliminated an honors program locally, and removed the talented and gifted program in one of our districts because they felt it's too demeaning to the other children. SO, instead of incentivising kids to learn, they dumb them down to the lowest common denominator. Yeah, that's a good way to improve the educational system. It's a socialist system, and it doesn't work!!!!! If I put my kid in a private school, the money should follow my kid. Instead, because of the democrats, the money does not follow the kid. I have to pay the private school AND pay taxes to the local school district! Now tell me, why is this a good thing?? It's been proven time and time again that competition will improve the educational system. The dems ask for more money because they say they don't have enough yet private schools, and more specifically christian educational schools put higher percentages of kids in college with much higher GPA's. Guess what? Those private schools have less money and less resources then public schools, yet the educational quality is ten-fold better than any public school on the planet.
What kind of change do you want? You can't want change unless you know exactly what you're getting. Remember, this is the guy who used the F word when talking about the President. He did it publicly. Now that to me is sad. If you can't find another word to use, then you don't deserve to be President. On top of this, Kerry has offered no plan on how he would improve things. Instead of offering a plan, he offers Bush bashing. That can only work for so long before people start demanding answers. We have until November, and I have yet to see any kind of economic plan, or national security plan from any of them. They're too busy trying to dig up ridiculous stories about the President's military career, which will soon bite them right in the butt.
Believe me, you have not offended me by any means. I promise. You have confused me though.
I would like you to show me where Bush said that. I can't find any such statement, and I challenge you to show me proof that he said such a thing. If you can find it, then I would be glad to admit that I'm wrong. As for jobs going overseas, I already explained why I think this is happening. I've been working in business for quite some time, and lets face the facts. We live in a society that is build to make a profit. If that company can't make a profit, then you have to find ways to do so. Since it's very hard to do business in this country, and make a decent profit, many businesses take it overseas. The liberals get mad when companies do this, but they don't show any leeway in terms of giving those same businesses some incentive to stay. The libs need to make up their minds. Do they want business to stay or go? If they want it to stay, then let them prove it. Getting mad when they leave, then threatening to raise taxes is NOT the solution for keeping business in the USA.
I quit my job 2 months ago, and my last day is March 1. I have three offers on the table for new jobs with wide ranging salaries. All I have to do is take my pick. I'm not saying you're not working hard to find a job, but you may not be going about it in the right way. Employment is out there, I know because I'm looking right now. McDonalds isn't the only place hiring around here, and I doubt they're the only place hiring anywhere else.
I'm just curious why you think this. Remember what I said in my first paragraph. Kerry is going to make an attempt to repeal the tax cut that took place during the Bush administration. Wanna know what that is? That's known as a tax increase! What kind of incentive is that for companies to continue to do business in this country when they could go overseas and pay 50% of what they would have to pay to stay? It's ridiculous. To raise taxes just makes it that much more difficult. By voting for Kerry, people are saying:
1. I want higher taxes, and therefore, I want more business to go overseas.
2. I want to have a less secure nation because I want a President who is going to make huge cuts to our military.
3. I want a President who doesn't want to make decisions on his own because our President is supposed to consult the UN before we do anything.
4. I want a President who wants to give government more power, and create a state of socialism for our country.
5. I want a President who will force the top 10% of taxpayers to pay even more, while getting less because after all, what did we do to deserve to keep our own money? That money should go to those who are on welfare!
Again, it just doesn't make sense to me.
I'm sorry to hear that, but if you think a Democrat is going to save the education system, you're wrong. They've been running our education system for years, and they fail every year. BUT, since the teachers unions have the dems in their pockets, it will continue to stay that way until someone stands up and says hey, wait a minute, why is my child doing so poorly? It's the democrats who eliminated an honors program locally, and removed the talented and gifted program in one of our districts because they felt it's too demeaning to the other children. SO, instead of incentivising kids to learn, they dumb them down to the lowest common denominator. Yeah, that's a good way to improve the educational system. It's a socialist system, and it doesn't work!!!!! If I put my kid in a private school, the money should follow my kid. Instead, because of the democrats, the money does not follow the kid. I have to pay the private school AND pay taxes to the local school district! Now tell me, why is this a good thing?? It's been proven time and time again that competition will improve the educational system. The dems ask for more money because they say they don't have enough yet private schools, and more specifically christian educational schools put higher percentages of kids in college with much higher GPA's. Guess what? Those private schools have less money and less resources then public schools, yet the educational quality is ten-fold better than any public school on the planet.
What kind of change do you want? You can't want change unless you know exactly what you're getting. Remember, this is the guy who used the F word when talking about the President. He did it publicly. Now that to me is sad. If you can't find another word to use, then you don't deserve to be President. On top of this, Kerry has offered no plan on how he would improve things. Instead of offering a plan, he offers Bush bashing. That can only work for so long before people start demanding answers. We have until November, and I have yet to see any kind of economic plan, or national security plan from any of them. They're too busy trying to dig up ridiculous stories about the President's military career, which will soon bite them right in the butt.
Believe me, you have not offended me by any means. I promise. You have confused me though.
Most republicans are calling for his financial manager to resign,I can't remember his name,I will try and find that,but after it came out,Bush said we need to do something about jobs going over seas.
But Bush put his name on it.
Jack I am not looking for a fight with you,I will look for the document and post it,and then I will respond to the rest of your last post.
You know I may be totally wrong,but I and a lot of other people in this country are desparate,I lost my mother back in april and I know what GWs cuts to medicaredid to my mother not getting the help she needed,I am sorry if this offends you,not my intentions.
Why can't I believe in the second amendment and not like Bush,why can't I be against abortion and not like Bush,most of my views and conservative,except when it comes to the economy,why because I am a democrat am I called unpatriotic.
I am not bashing Bush,as some do saying he was AWOL when he was in the Air National guard,even though he was able to jump passed 500 others and go right to being an officer in the guard because his father was in congress,I do not do that,I have issuse with some of his policies and thats it.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ushecon10.html
Here is one newspaper report about it.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ushecon10.html
And another.