View Poll Results: what do you think?
Hoss is da man, no



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Geico's question. He knows, yes



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your both wrong its a vto



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will the plane fly?
Originally Posted by Hoss
Yeah...like we're supposed to believe that this was all YOUR idea and that you are the ultimate authority on whether it will fly or not. 



Can you now see the light Aggie?
Originally Posted by 1320
oh geeeeez! I started this question along time ago on a different board. I was told it was making its way all over the net.
First, the plane flys. The conveyor has virtually no effect on the plane at all. Its not a trick question , its not trick wording either. The conveyor does not put an equal force on the plane.
There were several good analogies in the last 30 plus pages too. If you believe the plane won t fly......I like this one....then you must also believe that if you strap a plane to a dyno, that the drums will turn. And thus you can measure the hp a plane produces on a wheel/ drum dyno. "Hello Dynojet, this is Major Smith at the US air force, we would like to order a dynojet 200000 so we can get some hard numbers on our f117's...."
The conveyor can not stop the plane. Atmosphere is a seperate object that the force is being applied to , that is NOT moving.
First, the plane flys. The conveyor has virtually no effect on the plane at all. Its not a trick question , its not trick wording either. The conveyor does not put an equal force on the plane.
There were several good analogies in the last 30 plus pages too. If you believe the plane won t fly......I like this one....then you must also believe that if you strap a plane to a dyno, that the drums will turn. And thus you can measure the hp a plane produces on a wheel/ drum dyno. "Hello Dynojet, this is Major Smith at the US air force, we would like to order a dynojet 200000 so we can get some hard numbers on our f117's...."
The conveyor can not stop the plane. Atmosphere is a seperate object that the force is being applied to , that is NOT moving.
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I can think of many reasons it would fly and only one weak reason it will not . The plane is standing still at full power a belt is moving the size of a runway under it ,150 ft by 3000 ft and if the plane can reach a speed of 120 the belt would be moving 120 under it . Is their anyone that thinks this will not create a little wind ,even Hoss ,at least a 60 mph wind and the plane would fly . How about a tire spinning that fast it would have very little surface area in contact with the runway and the plane would slide what was left right down the runway and take off .How about a aircraft that has enough power to lift one ton and the only thing in it is a pilot ,their would be more than enough power to slide the tires and lift off . Take a high STOL(short take off and landing) aircraft some would only need to drag the tires 50 ft or less before flying . I would think the kinetic energy of the spinning tires by themself would toss the plane in the air . Add this to the fact their are many ways to decrease traction the only correct answer is it will fly . To think that a plane with a belt moving that fast in the other direction would stayed glued to it is just ridiculous ,If you can find a set of tires that hold that good put them on your truck and I will buy a set to .
Originally Posted by Geico266
*** Brain Teaser ***
The conveyer belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels at any given time, moving in the opposite direction of rotation.

The conveyer belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels at any given time, moving in the opposite direction of rotation.

Justin
Originally Posted by hemijustin
it wasent intended to be a trick question but since you said the belt and wheel speed are matched at all times.... the plane CANOT move and keep that relation ship..............
No kidding, the plane CANOT [sic] move...
Like I've been saying, the plane CANNOT move.
It is impossible for the plane to move. The plane CANNOT move, and therefore CANNOT take off.
Therefore the only two options available are "No Fly" or "No Solution"... If ya'll are willing, I'll compromise on "No Solution", but only if Geico266 admits that he is wrong.
Originally Posted by derek840378
LET IT DIE! 

So, am I getting a hint of "I'm wrong, but I don't want to admit it, so now I'll have to try to get the thread locked" from you?
(Although it's not like I haven't tried it...)
Think of it like this. The Speed of the airplane(A) times 10 = the RPMs of the wheel(W) if the belt (B) is to be the opposite of the wheels then -(W)= B
So then 10(A) =W NOW B is = to –w. therefore the only answer that makes this Statement true is A= 0. because the BELT is = to the opposite speed of the wheels… if the plane moves you have just proved that B is not = to –(w)=b.. and since that is a Given. You cant do that. Its really simple math/ physics with some fancy wording that’s throwing people off here.
0 is the only solution that puts W=-b... ans since that is a given. the plane will not be alloud to move in order to keep that TRUE.....
Justin
So then 10(A) =W NOW B is = to –w. therefore the only answer that makes this Statement true is A= 0. because the BELT is = to the opposite speed of the wheels… if the plane moves you have just proved that B is not = to –(w)=b.. and since that is a Given. You cant do that. Its really simple math/ physics with some fancy wording that’s throwing people off here.
0 is the only solution that puts W=-b... ans since that is a given. the plane will not be alloud to move in order to keep that TRUE.....
Justin
Originally Posted by hemijustin
Think of it like this. The Speed of the airplane(A) times 10 = the RPMs of the wheel(W) if the belt (B) is to be the opposite of the wheels then -(W)= B
So then 10(A) =W NOW B is = to –w. therefore the only answer that makes this Statement true is A= 0. because the BELT is = to the opposite speed of the wheels… if the plane moves you have just proved that B is not = to –(w)=b.. and since that is a Given. You cant do that. Its really simple math/ physics with some fancy wording that’s throwing people off here.
0 is the only solution that puts W=-b... ans since that is a given. the plane will not be alloud to move in order to keep that TRUE.....
Justin
So then 10(A) =W NOW B is = to –w. therefore the only answer that makes this Statement true is A= 0. because the BELT is = to the opposite speed of the wheels… if the plane moves you have just proved that B is not = to –(w)=b.. and since that is a Given. You cant do that. Its really simple math/ physics with some fancy wording that’s throwing people off here.
0 is the only solution that puts W=-b... ans since that is a given. the plane will not be alloud to move in order to keep that TRUE.....
Justin
W*****B
(10A)-(10A)=A
the only awnser that makes it true is 0 any other awnser would Prove A noT = A
DUHHHH
Originally Posted by John Halter
I can think of many reasons it would fly and only one weak reason it will not . The plane is standing still at full power a belt is moving the size of a runway under it ,150 ft by 3000 ft and if the plane can reach a speed of 120 the belt would be moving 120 under it . Is their anyone that thinks this will not create a little wind ,even Hoss ,at least a 60 mph wind and the plane would fly . How about a tire spinning that fast it would have very little surface area in contact with the runway and the plane would slide what was left right down the runway and take off .How about a aircraft that has enough power to lift one ton and the only thing in it is a pilot ,their would be more than enough power to slide the tires and lift off . Take a high STOL(short take off and landing) aircraft some would only need to drag the tires 50 ft or less before flying . I would think the kinetic energy of the spinning tires by themself would toss the plane in the air . Add this to the fact their are many ways to decrease traction the only correct answer is it will fly . To think that a plane with a belt moving that fast in the other direction would stayed glued to it is just ridiculous ,If you can find a set of tires that hold that good put them on your truck and I will buy a set to .
And with the whole theory that 60 mph of wind would make the plane fly, umm well maybe, depends on what size of plane you're talking about. Granted a small plane that would work.............but that is the whole confusion in this stinking thing..........they don't give you enough info on what type of plane, blah blah blah.
I'm sure whoever thought this up, is just sitting back laughing their butt off calling us a bunch of retards.................
~Nick
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The plane does not need to move to fly the belt creates its own atmosphere like I have said a belt moving that fast under the wing would create lift and it would lift strait up . On my Cessna with flaps down in ground effect it will fly at 40 mph and the prop and belt would create way over that unless you have the whole thing in a vacuum it will fly . You are moving the earth under the plane instead of the plane moving over the earth and this will end up with the same result a flying plane IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND sorry it just seems so simple. When you lift off the belt stops and the wind and the plane lands just like in a wind tunnel . If the plane leaves the the belt even if it is for a few seconds it is flying .
No it's not hard to understand at all, you have a great theory and I'm not saying that you are wrong...........30 some odd pages of this crap and still nobody knows who is right or wrong!!!
But I consider flying to be more than just a couple seconds of being in the air, it'd be like throwing the plane in the air and hoping that there was enough propulsion from the turbines to get it to maintain altitude and fly!!
Heck, lets just go back to talking about trucks, at least we all ( well most ) agree on those!!!
~Nick
But I consider flying to be more than just a couple seconds of being in the air, it'd be like throwing the plane in the air and hoping that there was enough propulsion from the turbines to get it to maintain altitude and fly!!
Heck, lets just go back to talking about trucks, at least we all ( well most ) agree on those!!!
~Nick
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This post has been a real enjoyment for me an I am sorry it seem's to upset a few of us my answer to this is just fight the erg and don't enter this sight. My first approach to this was all wrong and thanks to many has been corrected and a lot depends how you look at the set up ,like if the tires are sliding are they moving some say yes some say no ,when is it flying as soon as it leaves the ground or as soon as it leaves the airport ,will the conveyor create wind ,the answer to this would be yes and lots of it . Would this create lift yes and would it be enough , I think so ,Would I take Hoss for a ride ,yes ,would I land with him ?

