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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 04:11 PM
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I just a bill in the mail for wasted bandwidth from Jack & TOP.


Umm u got 100 members to charge for helpin waste it

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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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The ground speed of the aircraft is not important, nor is the amount of thrust the engines develop. If a plane's take off speed is 140mph, that is the speed the air must flow over the wing in order to develop the lift required to take off. If a plane has a ground speed of 140 mph, but also has a tail wind of 140mph, that means the plane will not be moving relative to the air. If the plane were to turn around, into the wind, it could take off with zero ground speed and zero thrust.

This is why aircraft carriers turn into the wind before launching any planes (and why they will generally get up to full speed, to add to the air speed over the deck). It allows the planes to take off with a lower 'ground' speed, so that the catapault can exert less effort. The plane may only be moving about 100mph relative to the deck, but the extra 35mph of the ship + 10mph wind will allow the planes to get airborne. Turn the catapault around, and now that 100mph deck speed is only 65mph air speed. You're gonna lose that aircraft.

The only way it could take off is if the conveyor was able to drag enough air along with it to develop that 140mph air speed. But anyone who's studied fluids will realize that's pretty much impossible.
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Geico266
*** Brain Teaser ***

Imagine an airplane is on the beginning of a massive conveyor belt, as wide and as long as a runway, and intends to take off. The conveyer belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels at any given time, moving in the opposite direction of rotation.
There is no wind.

Can the plane take off?
I have flown out of Jackson with no wind blowing, as the plane moved down the runway it began to pick up speed and before the runway ended we took off (Yea). When the plane is on the runway, the conveyor belt will not be moving (The conveyer belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels at any given time). Until the plane starts moving (Thrust from the engines), it will be able to take off as long as the tires are rated for the speed, twice normal speed at take off. Once again, I am in the lounge with the pilots and we are getting intoxicated. The pilot said if you don't stop the insanity he was going to leave the lounge and fire up the big silver tube with wings and show you how it's done.
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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The pilot says if it were a car on the conveyor belt then yes it would sit in one spot but since his plane uses something that is not touching the ground (THE JET ENGINES) the plane begins to move forward, he says the more he increases the throttle the faster he goes.
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 04:57 PM
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if a fly didnt have wings would it be called a walk?
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by derek840378
if a fly didnt have wings would it be called a walk?
That's too funny!!
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:24 PM
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a rocket has fins not wings, but it still flys. how come it doesnt fin? is it the ability to fly or the physical wing that determines the classification of flying (remember everything has to succomb to gravity at some point)...
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:26 PM
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why do we park in a drive way and drive on the park way?
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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what would you do-who-who for a klondike bar??
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 05:57 PM
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how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie-pop? the world may never know!
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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Why do people park their $50 000 cars outside and their $300 bicycles in the garage??
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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Is it just me or is it only the nonflying crowd trying to change the subject?

Focus men! FOCUS!

Must mean I win Hoss! lol
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 06:16 PM
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If a tree falls in the forest and there isn't anybody there to hear it, does it make a sound?
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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Is it just me or is it only the nonflying crowd trying to change the subject?

Focus men! FOCUS!

Must mean I win Hoss! lol
can... feel...rage....RETURNING!
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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Ok, so the wheels make 100 revolutions/min . The wheel travels 10 ft per revolution so the forward velocity is 100 rev/min * 10ft/rev =1000 ft/min
in one min the wheel will travel 1000ft/min *1min= 1000ft.

the conveyor matches the speed of the wheel which is 1000ft/min
so in 1 min the conveyor has traveled 1000ft/min *1 min = 1000 ft/min

In order for the plane to take off the plane must travel faster than the conveyor. In other words it must travel a greater distance in the same amount of time. So lets say the plane is going 1100 ft/min

in the same min that the wheel traveled 1000 ft the plane will travel 1100 ft/min *1 min = 1100 ft.

In other words the plane is now 100 ft in front of its own wheels!
Someone explain to me how this can happen.



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