I get the impression that you believe that it's ok to do something illegal as long as it's profitable????
I on the other hand do not. In the Home Health business (what I'm in) it's real easy to falsify billing to Medicare and make millions. I have too much respect for myself, my employees, my family and my country to ever stoop to such a low life action! Many others do so and when caught our federal govt. slaps most of them on the hand and lets them continue to be Medicare providers. Not blaming Obama either.....been this way since before Clinton but Obama wants to put everyone in the same system......does anyone see a problem here?!?!?!?
Not sure what you're talking about here????
At no time was I ever talked down to or raked over the coals. I have no reason to tell anyone to shove it. The banks must protect their interests when loaning extremely large sums of money, I understand that and would be really worried if they did not. I would hope that you're an honest enough person to understand this simple fact.

Not as long as we have open borders and no penalty for illegally invading our country!!
I agree that we should aggressively go after those who hire illegals. We should just aggressively try to seal our borders and penalize those who illegally cross those borders.
I don't doubt that at all......if they want to work here they can come here legally, sign the guest book and leave when told to!!! You do understand that there is in fact a legal process to come to this nation. Illegally cross any other countries borders and see how things go for you. You'll spend time in prison at best, China and North Korea might just execute you on sight!!!
Yea I guess laying down and making them all citizens will stop the tide of illegals???
So if that's ok with you how would you feel about abolishing all unions, and minimum wages so businesses can hire Americans as cheap labor??
From your way of thinking we should be able to offer sub minimum wages to auto workers, pilots, engineers etc and the American people should be willing to accept it. After all businesses want cheap labor!!
EXACTLY!!!! They are not trying to immigrate LEGALLY!!! That's my whole point!!
Hmmm so if I decided that I wanted to trespass onto you property, steal you possessions, take your wife, what ever. None of those things would have anything to do with respect but rather just the fact that I want those things and therefore should be able to have them????
So if the bank wants to make money laundering money for drug dealers you'd find that to be ok as well??? I thought you liberals didn't like folks who make profits.....or is it just legal and ethical profits???
Again I have no idea what you're talking about???? There are rules and safety nets.....I want them there for everyone!!
And again I have no idea what you're talking about????
SS cards have been required for all of these items since long before 9/11 and should be!!

The only thing broken is the fact that we do not enforce the laws on the books!!! We don't need to change the laws just enforce the ones that we have. That is all the AZ law did.....direct policemen to actively uphold the federal laws already in place.

It already has!!! Why do you think AZ created the current bill???
If we completed the fence across AZ that has been completed in many other places along our border much of that can be stopped.
Throwing our hands in air and giving amnesty to all of the illegals already here darn sure won't stop it!!

My argument is with the FACT that we won't enforce our current immigration laws, my argument is with the FACT that we have idiots in this country that want us to believe that allowing these folks to continue to illegally invade our country is a good thing, my argument is with the fact that we have complete morons in this country that think we should allow illegals to come in and be treated in our hospitals free of charge and then protest our laws and demand citizenship!!! And yes my argument is the fact that we don't aggressively go after companies who hire illegals and also with those idiots who think it's immoral to deport those illegals who get caught when we do in fact raid these companies!!!
At no time did I blame the Obamanation for our current illegal mess. BUT he will soon be holding much of the blame since he made the choice to shut down the building of border fence that President Bush had put in place while in office.

If I had that kind of cash I would but since I do not I'm good with following the rules to legally get a loan that will allow me to build my home. I'm dumbfounded that anyone would have a problem with following rules that would protect not only my interests but the banks as well.
Oh I've made it perfectly clear that I want someone who will do both, secure the border AND stop employers of illegals. Do you have those kind of convictions or are you an anything goes kind of guy??
Again I must ask.....W T H are you talking about???

So you are an anything goes kind of guy!!! I like the idea of being able to sleep at night because I don't cheat, lie, or steal from anyone and because of the simple fact that I know that everything I have I have from doing things right!!
For a minute there you sounded just like a patriotic American Conservative!!
Again W T H are you talking about???
Oh by the way.....it's money!

 

I have NEVER said they should be all be made citizens. And I deal with the problems and hear about the problems every day. Try not to read anything more into my words than what I write.

You were the one complaining about all the things the bank asked you to do. All the personal questions and background stuff. I hate that stuff and won't put up with it. But, if you feel you have to get their help you have to do what they ask. I simply say, forget them. Build your home without them and you'll be much happier all the way through. I am, and so can you. I'm currently building my new home on five acres ion Nevada. I expect it will take years longer than if I had a loan, but there is no way the bank will ever own me or my home.

Of course businesses want cheap labor. But I never said that should come at the expense of everything else. I've been in business for over thirty years and I have stayed in business because of quality and word of mouth. A personal connection with my customers that endures and gets told to others. I blame no one for any of my problems, I find solutions and I'm an industry leader. I don't need a union to protect me, and the corruption I've seen in them turns me off.

As far as immigration goes, I understand far better than most and most likely far far better than you, no offense, about the process of coming to this country legally. I was born here, but I've been on a very personal immigration case since 2003 that is still not done. Unless you have personally been through it, you'll never know what a mess it is. This illegal immigrant problem has nothing to do with trying to come here as an immigrant. It's simply, for the most part, about opportunity. Jobs. Our border is pretty much open and jobs are waiting. Some poor, broke Mexican with a hungry family and a poor education is not going to wait years and do all the documentation necessary to try and immigrate. And he's not likely to be able to if he does try. Don't think I'm advocating for him because I'm not. It's just the way it is and I know from experience. He wants a job now, his friends have made it, and American law is of little concern.

For some reason you seem to misunderstand reality. Again, I never tried to justify profits at the bank. Reality is reality. Profits rule. Where have you been? This is capitalism, and America is the pro.

And finally, no I'm not an anything goes kind of guy, as you asked. But I make my way reasonably well and I'm not too confused about how things work. I'm very concerned about the decline of America. But I try to look at what is really going on instead of finding convenient scapegoats from an opposing political party. When it's all said and done, remember, we voted them in. They represent us. They are us. At least 90% of them get re-elected. Their main job is to get re-elected. Their votes are bought by big business and special interests. And we send them back over and over to do nothing that might hurt their chances for re-election. And just who are you mad at?

 

But you seem to think that since they're already doing it and have been for yrs that we should just accept it and go with the flow. I on the other hand do not.

In your words, "Try not to read anything more into my words than what I write." I never was complaining about my requirements for getting a loan. I was making reference to (complaining)the fact that the illegals were being given special privileges for being here illegal. I don't want American born or anyone else here legally to have those privileges, I darn sure don't want someone who invaded this country to have them.
Not sure what there is to put up with. There are all kinds of rules in everything we do. Some are ridiculous some are valid. I find that a bank choosing to ask questions to verify that the money they are loaning out can have a reasonable expectation of repayment is more than a reasonable request.

Well it will probably take you as long to build as it will for me to pay mine off.
I'll do a 15 yr note but will pay down the principle within 5 yrs. (At least that's the plan)
You get to yours your way and I'll get to mine my way.

But allowing illegals to invade our borders, work for substandard pay and then export much of that cash is at the expense of this countries security and at the expense of American workers!! Yea I know, "Those are jobs Americans won't do" I call B/S on that one. If we didn't continue to extend unemployment, if we didn't give folks a continuous flow of welfare, and if we didn't allow this cheap labor flow to the companies then those jobs would be taken by Americans. If no one applies the businesses would up the pay rate until someone took those jobs.

Well great, you and I are on the same page in that respect. I've blamed no one for my life whether it be financial, personal or spiritual. Never have whether it be here or anywhere else.
Maye so maybe not. We have lots of friends who are here on work visa's (mostly from India), green cards, and naturalized citizens. They all have told me the difficulty of coming here. Each and every one says that it's worth it and wouldn't have it any other way. They like believe that citizenship in this country is a privilege that should be difficult to achieve.
That does not dismiss the fact that they need to be stopped at our borders and deported anytime they are caught.
Again there lies the problem. We need to seal those borders AND dry up those jobs through enforcement.
His status or lack of respect for our laws is no excuse. If he's not willing or can't do it legally he needs to stay in Mexico. Let his country deal with him and his problems not the U.S.

You just made my case for me.....they do not respect or borders or our laws!!! Until they do they can't be allowed to be here!

No I understand reality all too well. We have an illegal immigration problem, the banks giving credit to illegal aliens just adds to that problem. To say we can do nothing about also adds to that problem and enables the invaders. Just like those whining that the war is lost was enabling the insugents in Iraq.

Then you should understand that allowing these illegals to continue to flood across our borders without any real consequence is slowly eroding away at this country.

What convenient scapegoat are you talking about?
What is really going on is we have or have had, around 12 million illegals in this country. A certain party wants to make them a voting block thus giving them a 12 million vote surge. Of course that's just the beginning. If we grant this amnesty we'll have an even bigger surge of illegals coming here for said amnesty. Some can make the argument for amnesty but I say we can't even discuss that until we've at least made a reasonable effort to seal our borders so we can get a real count as to who is here. Then and only then should we even entertain the idea of allowing them to stay and work here.
Not mad at all......just dissatisfied with the fact that to many Americans are willing to overlook our laws for political gain.
As an American you should be too.