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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 10:00 AM
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Another great read - should open your eyes and let you see why the UN votes were vetoed. (Sorry about the length - I didn't have a hyperlink.)<br><br>DW<br>========================= ====================<br><br>Subject: Who's Against Us in the UN and Why<br><br>Just got this today. It's an interesting, documented listing of facts concerning the four main opponents to the US' strategy on dealing with Iraq and its insane, dangerous leader. The link to the CIA factbook works, but the link to SIPRI do not. However, I got into the SIPRI website at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/ and found similar data at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/T...Imps_73-02.pdf (&quot;Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1973-2002&quot; vice the listed &quot;Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001&quot. I heard similar facts the other day on one of the news shows on FOXNEWS.<br><br>Facts on Who Benefits From Keeping Saddam Hussein In Power by The Heritage Foundation WebMemo #217 February 28, 2003<br><br>France<br>a. According to the CIA World Factbook, France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraq's imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, <br>according to the United Nations.[2] In 2001 France became Iraq's largest European trading partner.<br>b. Roughly 60 French companies do an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad annually under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3]<br>c. France's largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated a deal to develop the Majnoon field in western Iraq. The Majnoon field purportedly contains up to 30 billion barrels of oil.[4]<br>d. Total Fina Elf also negotiated a deal for future oil exploration in Iraq's Nahr Umar field. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country's <br>reserves.[5]<br>e. France's Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraq's telephone system.[6]<br>f. From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq's arms imports.[7]<br><br>Germany<br>a. Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[8]<br>b. It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany's &quot;firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.&quot; It was also reported that over 101 German companies<br>were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[9]<br>c. During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[10]<br>d. In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[11]<br>e. German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly <br>intended for Saddam Hussein's Al Fao Supercannon project.[12]<br><br>Russia<br>a. According to the CIA World Factbook, Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq's annual imports.[13] Under the U.N. oil-for-food program, Russia's total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million <br>and $1 billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.[14]<br>b. According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program are to be signed over the next three months.[15]<br>c. Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms sales to Iraq during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war.<br>d. Russia's LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq. Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N. sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.[16]<br>e. In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian-Belarus company, negotiated a $52 million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern Iraq.[17]<br>f. In April 2001, Russia's Zaruezhneft Company received a service contract to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate the fields and reduce water incursion.<br>g. A future $40 billion Iraqi-Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities throughout western Iraq.[18] The proposal calls for 67 new <br>projects, over a 10-year time frame, to explore and further develop fields in southern Iraq and the Western Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional projects added to the deal include second-phase construction of a pipeline running from southern to northern<br>Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on these projects would commence upon cancellation of sanctions.[19]<br>h. Russia's Gazprom company over the past few years has signed contracts worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.[20]<br>i. The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From 1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.[21]<br><br>China<br>a. According to the CIA World Factbook, China controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq's annual imports.[22]<br>b. China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries Corp., negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the Al Ahdab field in southern Iraq.[23]<br>c. In recent years, the Chinese Aero-Technology Import-Export Company (CATIC) has been contracted to sell &quot;meteorological satellite&quot; and &quot;surface observation&quot; equipment to Iraq. This contract was approved <br>by the U.N. oil-for-food program.[24]<br>d. CATIC also won approval from the U.N. in July 2000 to sell $2 million worth of fiber optic cables. This and similar contracts approved were disguised as telecommunications gear. These cables can be used for secure data and communications links between national command and control centers and long-range search radar, targeting radar, and missile-launch units, according to U.S. officials. In addition, China National Electric Wire &amp; Cable and China National Technical Import Telecommunications Equipment<br>Company are believed to have sold Iraq $6 million and $15.5 million worth of communications equipment and other unspecified supplies, respectively.[25]<br>e. According to a report from SIPRI, from 1981 to 2001, China was the second largest supplier of weapons and arms to Iraq, supplying over 18 percent of Iraq's weapons imports.[26]<br> <br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[1] Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook<br>[2] Jon Talton, &quot;French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle&quot;, The Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.<br>[3] Ibid.<br>[4] Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International Sanctions, and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.<br>[5] Ibid.<br>[6] Evelyn Iritani, &quot;Hussein's Government Signs Lucrative Contracts, Especially with Nations that Oppose the U.S. Led Effort to Oust the Regime,&quot; The Los Angeles Times, November 11, 2002.<br>[7 ]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), &quot;Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001,&quot; at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/I...1982-2001.pdf.<br>[8] David R. Sands, &quot;France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties,&quot; The Washington Post, February 20, 2003.<br>[9] Ibid.<br>[10] &quot;Africa Analysis-Trade Points Way to Peace&quot;, The Financial Asia Africa Intelligence Wire, November 19, 2002.<br>[11] Faye Bowers, &quot;Driving Forces in War-Wary Nations: The Stances of France, Germany, Russia and China Are Colored by Economic and National Interests,&quot; Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003.<br>[12] &quot;Helping Saddam Rearm,&quot; The Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2002.<br>[13] Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/publications/factbook.<br>[14] Testimony provided by Ariel Cohen to the House International Relations Committee, &quot;Russia and the Axis of Evil: Money, Ambition and U.S. Interests,&quot; February 26, 2003.<br>[15] Nelli Sharushkina, &quot;Russia Plays the Field in Iraq-Mixed Signals Worry Baghdad,&quot; Energy Intelligence Briefing, February 5, 2003.<br>[16] Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, &quot;In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue,&quot; The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.<br>[17] Ibid.<br>[18] Scott Peterson, &quot;Russia's Newest Tie to Iraq: Moscow Is Set to Sign a $40 billion Economic Pact with Baghdad Next Month,&quot; Christian Science Monitor, August 20, 2002.<br>[19] &quot;Mideast Tensions to Delay Iraq Iraqi-Russian Signing,&quot; Energy Compass, April 19, 2002.<br>[20] Dmitry Zhdannikov, &quot;Russian's Grim About Working Under Saddam,&quot; The Houston Chronicle, April 14, 2002.<br>[21] Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute<br>(SIPRI), &quot;Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001,&quot; at http://projects/sipri.se/armstrade/I..._1982-2001.pdf<br>[22] Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/ <br>factbook.<br>[23] Trish Saywell, &quot;Oil: The Danger of Deals with Iraq,&quot; Far Eastern Economic Review, March 6, 2003<br>[24] Kenneth R. Timmerman, &quot;Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam,&quot; Insight on the News, March 4, 2003.<br>[25] Ibid.<br>[26] Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), &quot;Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001,&quot; at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/I...1982-2001.pdf.<br><br><br>
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 11:08 AM
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GET US OUT OF THE UN!<br>As a retired Military Member I look at it this way. We had a revolution in 1776 to get away from Europes rule on our lives.<br> Now who is in our Face again? :'( Well at least its not the UK this time. I salute Blair for having the Guts to stand with us!<br> America Is who I swore to Defend as a Member of the Armed Forces not the UN.<br><br>Um OK Top heres your soap Box back...........<br>
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 11:24 AM
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DW, you are right. Read all this info about a week ago. I don't want to start a war on this site but have any of you considered that this war is actually a supernatural war? At the risk of alienating some of you, check Biblical prophecy and see how closely al this mess lines up. It is fascinating.
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 12:53 PM
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[quote author=Gear Poet link=board=10;threadid=12479;start=0#118010 date=1048096618]<br>Oh, Lawd, here we go . . . . <br><br>Burning the CD's of brainless celebrity liberals, insulting the people of Cameroon and Ghana, nuking the UN, damaging the U.S. economy by unilaterally turning our backs on the world, and now -- waiting for the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to lead the Sixth Armored Division deeper into Iraq. <br><br>Too far, people. Too far. We're going to war. Let's keep our heads. <br><br>GP<br>[/quote]<br><br>I missed any insults to the people of Ghana or Cameroon, but burning a CD is alright with me. I just wish I could burn leaves. Maybe if I throw a couple of Ditzy Chicks CDs on the pile and call it a protest...<br><br>I don't mind giving an upraised middle finger to &quot;the world&quot; when it's called for. Just because 2 out of 3 Marxist governments in the world think the US should sign the Kyoto treaty doesn't mean that it's A: a good idea; and B: based on good science. Same thing for hugging Hussein. I have no opinion on the religious stuff--I don't believe in it.
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 01:12 PM
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[quote author=Mexstan link=board=10;threadid=12479;start=0#118003 date=1048094673]<br>DW, you are right. Read all this info about a week ago. I don't want to start a war on this site but have any of you considered that this war is actually a supernatural war? At the risk of alienating some of you, check Biblical prophecy and see how closely al this mess lines up. It is fascinating.<br>[/quote]<br><br>Anyone who thinks it is not a Holy War to a point has Blinders on. Muslems Hate Christians and Jews.. We are the Enemy to them and nothing will ever change that. :'(<br><br><br>Bring Me Home Jesus
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 08:45 PM
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Well... Baghdad has started sirens and firing into the sky. Reporter saying no aircraft in sight or bombs hitting the ground. Wonder how many children they will say we just killed.
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 09:09 PM
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I think all the news organizations just jumped the gun a wee bit.<br><br>Baghdad was just testing the air raid sirens.<br><br>Someone panicked and blew up their car so the &quot;americans&quot; can't steal it from him.<br><br><br>phox
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 09:19 PM
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They say aircraft and possible bombing north of the city. Presidents speaking and was only suppose to be heard from after the attack started.
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 09:31 PM
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I hereby recind my previous remark<br><br>I guess it has started.<br><br>Just not on the scale everyone expected.<br><br><br>phox
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 09:40 PM
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I'm sure it's a little larger scale away from the city. They'll probably hit around the city a little more startegically to minimize casualties and protect historic sites. They were probably going after Hussein, his palace and Hussein City is to the north of Baghdad I believe.
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Old Mar 19, 2003 | 10:45 PM
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[quote author=DeaconWayne link=board=10;threadid=12479;start=0#117964 date=1048089637]<br>c. France's largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated a deal to develop the Majnoon field in western Iraq. The Majnoon field purportedly contains up to 30 billion barrels of oil.[4]<br>d. Total Fina Elf also negotiated a deal for future oil exploration in Iraq's Nahr Umar field. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country's <br>reserves.[5]<br><br>d. Russia's LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq. Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N. sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.[16]<br><br>b. China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries Corp., negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the Al Ahdab field in southern Iraq.[23]<br>[/quote]<br><br>All of these oil deals were made with the Hussein government, in essence, no Saddam, no deal. Our peacenick fellow citizens say no blood for oil. They have no idea how right they are. I am weary of the nations that have attempted to block the Bush administrations attempts in the United Nations being portrayed in the media as altruistic and peace loving in their efforts to settle the outstanding issues with diplomacy. France, Germany, Russia, et al are doing nothing more than looking after thier own national oil interests. Diplomacy works only where reasonable people are involved, and I for one do not think that Saddam fits that description.<br><br>One thing you can say about France - they are always there when they need you.
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