http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/col...ing/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/chu....ap/index.html

Unrelated? I don't think so!

Pray for the families and LEO's in CO who are involved.

 

Crazy, uncontrolled times we live in. Another example of a pampered kid that had friends instead of parents. I hope and pray LEO's get this fecal bag quickly.

 

One of the guys I work with at my part time job comes into the shop yesterday and explained to us that the Domino pizza delivery kid that was missing for a couple days is his nephew. Well the police found his body 30 miles away, they nabbed the main perp on an unrelated charge, and he rolled out like a bowling ball on his partner, both are in custody. The victim was driving a piece of crap car and only had enough cash on him to break a twenty, . The news showed the courtroom tonight during his arraignment, it was filled with the perps family and they were sobbing for him like he was the victim,. Truly PATHETIC.

 

Well if the perp was your son or daughter you'd be crying to, its human nature, we don't want our loved ones taken away. I'm not saying its right, and you'd be mad after you finished picking up the pieces, but its hard to tamper with human nature. As for the first story, if the police are out hunting for this guy, I say anyone with a hunting license ought to get a toe tag for this sick SOB.

 

I said something to that effect Need but I edited it. It sounded a little harsh.

He killed himself but I was told another person might be involved.

 

Well if the perp was your son or daughter you'd be crying to, its human nature,


Thanks for telling me how I would feel, however you are incorrect. Not only do I have a son the same age as the victim, I also have an older and a younger daughter. They were all raised with very high morals and standards, one of which is accountability, something severely lacking in today's society.

As a closing note, if one of my kids commited a gruesome deliberate premeditated murder like the one in question, I assure you there would be NO tears on their behalf.

 

To add a little to what Tim has said... As a parent myself, if my daughter were to grow up and do something as horrible as this I would not only question her motives but also my ability as a parent to instill the correct values in her life. You can never truly be sure how your children are going to turn out. You can raise them to the best of your ability but when it all comes down to it they are their own person. The friends that they choose and the direction that they take after leaving your house is no longer in your control. You can only hope that they take what you have taught them and put it to good practice.

If my daughter did do something like this, I honestly can't say how I would feel. It would be a mixed bag no doubt. I feel for all involved.

Britt

 

That little cutie doesn't have a single mean bone in her tiny body !!

I can tell you that any parent who ever truly cared about being a good parent would still end up questioning the way they raised their kid ... human nature. You can do everything right and the kid may still get mixed up with the wrong influences and turn sour. The likelyhood may be less but it is still a very real possibility. Prime example was a buddy of mine from high school Monte Pilon. He was one of the knuckleheads that shot a cop in SW Colorado several years back and was a big story on the news and Americas Most Wanted for a couple weeks. Had some of the most caring and loving parents that you ever met and a very normal childhood ... but he still turned into a freak and ended up getting taken out of the gene pool.

The best we can hope for is that we, as parents, have a good enough relationship with our kids that we can pick up on the subtle clues that "something" is going wrong. And then the fortitude to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT !!

I heard the interview with the landlady of the kid who shot up the mall recently .... she had several pieces of valuable info about this kids decaying mental state ... but never acted on it. Same thing goes for the parents of the kid who shot up the church (got taken out by a single armed citizen ... hooyah 2nd Ammendment !!) There were even people on a website that he frequented that KNEW what he was planning and yet did nothing about it but "advise" him against it.

PISTOL

 

no one can speak for another, and the society I grew up in you got yelled at by all the neighbors and again by your parents for having the neighbors yell at you in addition to being grounded for life..heheh whew! I somehow survived.

my son made very stupid choices. now, he figured that out. one of the things he did was involved some dope and a glass pipe. only a thumbnail's worth, but i found it when i tossed his room (former LEO). I GAVE it to the sheriff's deputy here for my son trying to hit my husband with a golf club. my son went to Court by himself, and spoke with the DA and took the charges. the judge and I felt that this should be a YO case and sealed. my son wouldn't hear of it.

he hasn't done anything even remotely criminal since. as a parent, I wanted the case sealed for his future. but he made those choices, and I have to say- he practiced what we preached. I am proud.

you can never truly feel what it is like to lose a child unless you have been through it. this is kind of the same thing. shock factors into a lot of denial too. I have seen the toughest criminals go back to the child when long lost mommy came into the picture, and she said 'everything is going to be okay"
and he took the route of being accountable and compliant. not something you could guess would happen. yes, we are all human.

 

Great points made by everyone, my replies may make me look hard nosed, it is because I am. As parents, my wife and I decided to take the hard road, strict, loving parents who were always on the same page with each other. It was never easy, there were problems, but the fruits of our hard labor yielded strong, honest, respectful, independant, self sufficient young adults capable of making good or bad decisions with respect for the consequences of their choices.
Its nice to sit with them around a raging bon fire and listen to them all talk about how we always knew where they were and caught them when they were up to their shananigans, we all laugh about it now. It is nice to finally start becoming friends with my kids.

On a closing note, I would like to say that everytime I put my unifrom on and go to work, I deal with (mostly) the absolute dregs of society, evey hour of my shift, the only time they come together is to perp the crime or minimize the severity of it with all kinds of false claims, all the while, their only parent lives in an absolute and complete state of denial, suffering from severe anxiety and blaming everthing and everyone else for their lack of accounability, and parenting skills. After all their little boy would never commit such a hainous crime. I guess thats why we see everything from young teens hauling their own infants, to, mid and older teens out roaming the streets all night long on school nights, I'm sure they are just making sure the neighborhood is safe.
This just solidifies my stance on prediscussed issues. Regardless of who they are.

With respect for eveyones postion,

Tim

 

Interesting comments.

As a parent I will always love my children regardless the situation. However, that does not mean I support or condone their errant behavior. If they do the crime they must do the time (or worse). Yea, might break my heart to see it but ultimately it was THEIR choice not mine, they are responsible.

I quit blaming my parents from my problems a long, long, long, time ago. What I do is on me not them.

Would I feel guilty? Nope. I'd certainly look back on things and wonder but I don't think I'd sit and dwell on it. May be wrong here but hopefully not.

 

All I can say to that is Amen Brother!!!!