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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 06:55 AM
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What if he gunned down the cop in self defense?

Or are all cops inherently perfect people with no prejudices or immoralities to speak of?
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Begle1
What if he gunned down the cop in self defense?

Or are all cops inherently perfect people with no prejudices or immoralities to speak of?
Certainly it was self defense........ I am sure the approaching the downed, wounded officer and putting two shots into his head was "immediatly nessacary" to defend his own life.....

get real Begle, this isnt a topic to play your games with.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 07:56 AM
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I wasn't talking about this specific case; I was speaking in general.

Nothing seems amiss here, but the attitude that it's allowable for cops to take vegenance into their own hands instead of a jury's hand is a dangerous idea and should be watched very closely. On occasion it can be subtly winked at, but it should never be condoned.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 12valve@heart
"... hitting him with 68 of 110 shots."

10 SWAT team members shooting at a stationary target and only 61.8% of their shots hit him? Sounds like pray and spray to me. Back to the range for more target practice.
Unfortunately, that was pretty GOOD compared to the normal law enforcement hit to miss ratio. If I recall correctly, only 13% of the bullets that are fired by law enforcement hit their intended target (in real life situations...not at the range)...or maybe it's 17%. Whichever is correct, the percentage of hits is very, VERY low.

That's not meant to be critical. If I were running for my life while returning fire I'm sure my percentage of hits would be low too. Anyway, if they hit 61.8% then they were well above average.
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Anybody ever notice how much trouble some cops have even unloading a perps gun on shows like cops? I watched two episodes this week where it took 3 guys to figure out how to drop the mag. from some little auto. It kind of made me wonder how much exposure to firearms other than the model which they were issued they have had. Sorry I know that this is off topic.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoss
Unfortunately, that was pretty GOOD compared to the normal law enforcement hit to miss ratio. If I recall correctly, only 13% of the bullets that are fired by law enforcement hit their intended target (in real life situations...not at the range)...or maybe it's 17%. Whichever is correct, the percentage of hits is very, VERY low.

That's not meant to be critical. If I were running for my life while returning fire I'm sure my percentage of hits would be low too. Anyway, if they hit 61.8% then they were well above average.
Street cops hitting a moving target is one thing. This is SWAT shooting at a guy laying under a log (i.e. - the elite shooting at a stationary target). They of all people ought to be able to do better - of course, as you point out, 61% IS better than 13% or 17%.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Fronty Owner
Quick, How much ammo do you have within reach?

125 9mm rounds in my pistol case (partically in magazines)
60 12 gauge rounds in my shotgun case
20 7mm Rem Mag rounds in my rifle case.

much more in the closet, thats just in the gun cases.
I have 377 rds 5.56mm within arms distance right now- 12 mags in my gear, 1 in my rifle.

I also have 64 rds 9mm within 1 arms reach and 15 rds od that is in my pistol on my hip.

Then I also have 8 more loaded 5.56mm for a total of 232 rds in a bandolier.

Then if it gets real bad, I have another 12 loaded 5.56mm mags for a total of 348 rds in the office about 50 yds away. Then I have a few cans of ammo for the M4 and 9mm. If I run out, I have 2 knives. lol
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 06:35 AM
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When I start seeing stress cracks in the concrete floor under the safe.......I'll have "enough".
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 06:41 AM
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 06:47 AM
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...you'll never have enough.
Bingo.....
We're planning on building our retirement home within the next year.
Wifey is looking at floor plans of possible houses.
She commented the other night,
"If the house has a crawl space, we need to make sure we have a room with a poured concrete floor."
When I asked why, she stated, "For your gun safes"......I think I'll keep her.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 07:43 AM
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Let’s see here.

Ammo can s are at the 500 round level for .45 and 300 round level for .223.
Close to 250 of 9mm
The above is within 20 steps when at home and in the house.
Have several clips of each within reach
8 boxes of 20 each of hand loaded 270
4 boxes of 20 each of hand loaded 30-06
These are at the loading bench but I think I could fight my way out and back if it came to that. My wife is fairly good at spray and pray. It would make good cover fire.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 08:07 AM
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Looks like some of us are adaquately prepared, some need to reevaluate their tactics.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmay2
68 of 110.. sounds like some SWAT members loved their ammo so much they didnt want to contaminate the rounds by hitting the intended target.
Ever here of cover-fire, so you don't die getting into a good position? It said he had already shown himself and fire upon the responding back-up officers.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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I have 13 rounds of .380 FMJ in my front pockets...seven of which are in my Kel-Tec P3AT in one pocket and 6 of which are in a spare mag in the other. If I need any more than that then I'll have to drive home and get it.
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Old Jan 10, 2007 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fronty Owner
Quick, How much ammo do you have within reach?

125 9mm rounds in my pistol case (partically in magazines)
60 12 gauge rounds in my shotgun case
20 7mm Rem Mag rounds in my rifle case.

much more in the closet, thats just in the gun cases.
My shotshell reloader is in my bedroom, 500 rds of .45 ACP on the bench, 2000 rds of .22LR (won't do much but makes me feel good) next to it, and about 25 slugs on the slug gun's sling!

I'm pretty well protected too
Chris
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