I agree. The 300 Win Mag has much better long range flight characteristics than the 7.62 NATO. If I was out in the bush I would want to carry the 300 and my spotter carrying a modified M14. And a M82 for the hard targets.

MikeyB

 

i have a remington model 700 in a .270, thats good for up to maybe 300 yds (in my opinion). but i also have a remington 700 in a 7mm Utra Mag. thats good for.......i dont know as far as you ever want to shoot.

 

Well,I Prefer a 7 mm STW and it's good to 1000 yrds
with a sheppard rangefinder scope and have pluckedem at 980.
and never had one (deer) get up and run yet.

factory loads feature a 140-grain bullet with an advertised muzzle velocity of 3,325 fps
7mm STW has 2,521 foot-pounds of energy at 200 yards, 2,123 foot-pounds at 300 yards, 1,776 foot-pounds at 400 yards, and 1,475 foot-pounds at 500 yards.

also check here for cool other test .30-378 Weatherby
Here is the Shepherd siteShephard Scopes

 

I gave up my .06 for my .270 and would never go back (for deer and boar anyways). The .270 is very flat shooting and I shoot 140 or 150 gr. federal premium bullets (TBBC, noslers, or Swift AFrame). I wouldn't take a shot with it much beyond 300 yards though even though the downrange energy is still there at 400 yards. Check out www.federalcartridge.com for balistics. A 150 gr. nosler partition will give you 1483 ft-lbs of energy at 2110 fps at 400 yards but a 21" drop with a 200 yard zero. Not bad but you'd have to aim at the sky to compensate for the drop in trajectory.

 

Thanks for the literature!

that pretty much just made my day. Now my question is, What scope is good enough to be able to actually see a deer that is 1000 yards away? I Have never seen these scopes before. Personally i wouldnt consider shooting beyond even 200 yards, although my farthest kill has been at 318 yards.

At 1000 yards with the STW, what is the energy? u need at least 1000 ft lbs to drop a deer.... so i take it its at least that....

Rick

 

my son has 3 scopes in his safe that one can easily see the end of a spray can at 1000 yds. will say this though every heart beat will move 18 inches off target. one has to shoot between heart beats.

 

Ive just fired on of those

Yesterday at the range, with a muzzle brake on it, HOLY COW ARE THEY LOUD!! and man that is a fast fast cartridge. it is right up there with the 7STW... i have a buddy that has a 30.378 weatherby, TWICE the powder capacity of a 30.06 (about 120 grains) After reading up on the article above, i dont care much to shoot it, but to watch it blast away targets... sweet!


Tx

 

I am an east coast ground hog hunter for the most part, so long range accuracy is the ticket. Also having enough bullet energy at the end of flight is necessary. No since in wounding an animal when a few more bucks will help insure a clean kill. My first choice would be a 300 Win Mag. for the hunt you discribe. The recoil is not bad and you have excellent terminal velocity. Plus if you get into reloading there is a ton of bullet choices. Even factory ammo has quite a bit going for it. My second choice would be the 7MM rem Mag. for all the same reasons plus the 7mm bullet has less drop over the distance you are shooting when compared to the .30 caliber rounds. If you really want to have plenty of punch and flat trajectory look at Weatherby. They are wildcats that went factory in the early 1960's. He used high capacity belted magnum cases like the 300 Win Mag and the 7mm Rem Mag but with increased case capacity and rounded off shoulders. But bare in mind if recoil is a problem you might look at the 7mm 08. That is a good all around cartridge that will bring down a 200 pound deer at 400 yards or 600 if you are real good. Again, this just one man's opinon and that is worth much.

 

if you are really in to long range shots and dont mind hunting down some ammo you should look in to a 7mm STW (shooting times western) good flat shooting long range rifle. i have seen my uncle shoot 500 yrds consistently wiht it at the range and had him knock down deer at 400 easily

 

Remington M700 Sendero .300 Win. Mag
Leupold Vari-X III 6.5x20x40 (30mm tube)

If I was buying a long range gun, thats what I would get.

go buy a bunch of different brands ammo (150gr), and go to the range. You will get the results you want.

Spend as much as you can on Optics. Now, I have that NIkon Buckmaster scope on my 25-06, but a Luepold beats it anyday...hands down. I would forget about the Nikon for long range (fat reticle vs. ultra fine in Leupold), and get a Leupold Goldring. The 30mm tube will make enough difference to stay @ 40mm objective.

Good Luck.

 

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I would go with the Leupold VX-III. I have a Zeiss Conquest in 3.5-10x44 and my buddy has the VX-III in 3-9x40, but the Leupold has a 30 mm tube. The light transmission and clarity on his scope is better than mine. That 30mm tube is key.

 

Rem M700 VLS 308 w/ 167gr. Federal Gold Medal Match. Partner that gun the best scope you can afford. Practice, practice, practice. By far the best gun I've ever owned and I've had a bunch

 

I've got a remington model 700 in 270 and it's a sweet gun. BUT, I just stepped up to a very nice HS-PRECISION in 300 wsm. Now this is one sweet rifle.

 

for those of u that are interested the record for a 5 shot group with a 50 cal at 1k is less than 2.5 inches. i think one could bring a deer down with the smaller calibers on a calm day at close to this range. the lungs and heart of a deer are much larger than this.