Politics?

I just thought it was an interesting picture.

 

Not taking sides but no one I know ever used a 4 month period many years ago to define themselves today. I was in Korea but you'll not ever hear me talk about it. The service, per se, has really not been the sticking point. It was all the testifying later that did it. JK unfortunately chose to use his service as a center-piece and it backfired. Now, he's caught in a loop, can't get out and the guy's who are ticked off ain't gonna turn him loose! Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it. JK's time in the senate should be what he talks about and what people should judge him on. If I were a democrat, I'd be embarrassed!

 

We know the typical liberal anti-military Democrat Kerry lied about honorable veterans...the ultimate traitor Jane Fonda has got to be proud of him.

 

i am trying hard to stay out of this discusion. At least he went to nam with us, didn't see gw over there.
ABB

 

You didn't see a lot of us over there. Are we unworthy of our accomplishments, beliefs, love of God, and love of our country?

 

I wasn't in the Gulf War. I was a Navy Air Traffic Controller in the US. Do you think you'd say the same thing to me 30 years from now?

 

Jack,

I think the more important question is: How would you feel if 30 years from now someone would attack your service record, call you all sorts of names, etc. etc. Mind you not now or whenever you served, but 30 years form now. I believe that you, my son, and all men and women who serve, served and will serve, ( with a VERY FEW exceptions) do, did, will do so out of dedication and do the best they can. It is THE self sacrifice that distinguishes all military peronnel, for they are willing to put it on the line at the time, never knowing where the duty call will place them. It is for that self sacrifice that we ALL HAVE to be gratefull. I know I am.
It is not the fight for freedom that all those brave men and women are doing. Fighting for our freedom ended with WW II.
All the rest sadly we lost of compromised. Again it is the willingness to put it on line when you are called to do so, that is what makes the military so worthy of our love, support, and gratitude.
And yes, Kerry was alos among those who put it on the line. It brings embarasement on all service records when critics wake up 30 years later for political reasons. I personally do not think that Kerry should have made his service record a focal point in his campain, but attacking it makes it still dishonorable in my eyes.

 

I think you miss the point entirely if you do not realize that Kerry made the choice to lie to Congress and dishonor those of us who served in VietNam.

His own history is coming back to haunt him as it should, He dishonored veterans everywhere with his rhetoric 30 years ago, and he is proving he still doesn't care by voting against every bill that is designed to strengthen the military.

We Veterans have long memories, and we don't forgive such treachery, though admittedly there are many who choose to forget, or just act like it never happened.

Many people choose to believe that the terrors of the holocaust against the Jews never happened during WWII, but the Crematoriums still stand in place, as does the public record of John Kerry's testimony.

 

Didn't Kerry start this military record controversy?

 

In addition to what Top says here, remember that John Kerry can't seem to make a decision on an issue. The one that disturbs me the most though is the fact that he voted for the war, then voted against providing our military the money they needed to continue their work, get equipment, food etc. Why would you vote for someone to go to war, then not supply them with the tools to win that war? Not only that, but he's saying publicly that if he were President, he would give our military the tools they need to get the job done right. "Job done right" in his view must be appeasement, or surrender if his voting record means anything. I'm amazed that the people who will vote for this guy don't realize how scary this dude is when it comes to his voting record. He talks about vietnam, and only the last 90 days of his life because he KNOWS that his history is rocky. His voting record is absolutely scary, and shows that he can't seem to make a decision one way or the other. The last person we need in office at this time is someone who can't stand solid, and have the moral courage to follow through with a decision.

 

Benidict Arnold fought the Redcoats too.. Then he turned Traitor. Is there a difference in the two men? If there is I and Millions of my fellow Veterans fail to see it.

 

JK's personal voting record scares the bejesus out of me. It's no wonder he doesn't bring up his votes and lack there of. He has to find something to talk about other than the actual issues. Only his Liberal/Socialist followers can read his entire voting record or read his book the New Soldier and still vote for the man. That is if he hasn't waffled on what he sex he wants to be also.

 

The question still remains: Why now and not then? As far as being a traitor, I don't know about that, but I do know this: President Reagan praised his service and so did Sen. McCain. Not that I have anything against anyone here, but I will take Reagan and McCain at face value for now.
Now for the voting record: If you dislike him for any of his votes so be it, it is a fair way to support, endorse, or not any candidate. Better yet, it is far more prodictive I think to state why one suports one's choice with clear examples, as oposed to just blaming an oponents overall record. Saying that Kerry's voting record without precise specifics is no help in swaying anyone.

 

First lets take a look on his vote for the Iraq war since that was his most recent:
On the Iraq war, the Bush campaign has been pressuring Kerry to say whether he would have still voted for the war given the fact that no weapons of mass destruction were found. Bush maintains the world is still better off without Saddam Hussein in power. Kerry on Monday said he would have voted to give the president authorization to use force against Iraq "but I would have used that authority effectively."

Firstly, there is no provision in the vote that says "Yes, but only with Allies". For him to come back and say something like that is ridiculous. This one is actually black and white, you either voted for it, or not. There were no such provisions.

In addition, he voted for the war, but then voted against providing the finances to actually win the war. Without the essential materials, how are the military suppsed to do anything but get shot at? Where is the consistancy?

Kerry voted against almost every major military initiative since he took office. The facts are that he supported a nuclear freeze while Reagan was busy winning the cold war. He was wrong there. He's voted against the F18, Patriot Missle, etc. How is that in support of the defense of our country?

"Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability," Carl Rove quoted Kerry saying in October 1990. In 1998, Kerry said that Hussein was "pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction," and in October 2002, he said, "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real. I am prepared to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." Where is the consistancy? What does he support? Now he is the anti-war candidate. Doesn't make sense. He looks at polls, and makes his opinion match whatever he thinks the people want for a given polling period. That is sad.

Kerry voted yes on US military base closures during the clinton administration. That hurt our military badly during that time. I was in then, and I remember seeing first hand what those closures did to military families, and the areas they lived in. Whole towns went broke during that time. How is this strong on defense and in support of our troops?

Voted yes on deploying missile defense, then voted no on it again later. Where is the consistancy?

Voted yes on people being able to sue HMO's for huge amounts of money. While that sounds great on the surface, it's people like him, and lawyers like John Edwards who break down the health care system by allowing multi million dollar lawsuits to go forward, thereby increasing the amount of insurance doctors have to buy. Did you know there is only ONE malpractice carrier in NC? Imagine if you had a monopoly on selling cars in an entire state. Imagine the prices you could charge. Thanks to him and Edwards, this kind of thing is allowed to happen. Now they want us to pay millions of dollars more in taxes so we can have socialist healthcare

Voted no on banning human cloning. Well, I don't even have to talk about this one.

Voted no on the tax cut - nuff said

Voted no on eliminating the marraige penalty - nuff said.

Voted no on increasing penalties for drug related offenses. More specifically, he voted against tougher penalties on amphetamines & methamphetamines and possession of powder cocaine, and to set stronger penalties for dealing drugs.

Voted yes on Internet sales tax.

This guy scares me. What else can I say? I don't agree with him on almost every issue, and he in fact does change his mind quite often. Some people might see Bush's solidness and resolve come out as arrogance, but I don't see it that way. He's one of very few Presidents who actually follows through with what he says, and sticks to his guns whether people like him for it or not.

How can we even think of putting someone in office who flops around the issues so much as Kerry? The most important thing for this country right now is making sure we're safe, and free at the same time. I have NO confidence that Kerry is the man for that job. Again, look at his voting record.

 

That is what I was talking about. POINTS. You gave details, and I am sure you will agree it is far easier to drive a point home if you have details as oposed to genereal acusations. Now those who like Kerry can argue why those positions by him are good.