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07-30-2005, 05:09 AM
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I have not researched any of the following. i received this in my email this morning and am about to hit the road for a week ,but thought it might make a topic for discution for ya'll
This is a must read. It's very informative.
The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance.
During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The __expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me.
Let me ask you a question.
Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.
I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
This is a must read. It's very informative.
The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or Jesus? by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance.
During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their belief systems.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.
When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"
The __expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me.
Let me ask you a question.
Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslim's beliefs.
I think everyone in the US should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
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t hanks---taking my 10 year old grandaughter on this one----might stop at sea world with her. Got lazy in my old age, only do 500-550 miles a day.
07-30-2005, 07:21 AM
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I'll take Snopes for $1000 Mr Trebek. 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp
Claim: Prison imam is questioned about Islamic attitude toward infidels.
Status: False.
Origins: The piece quoted above ("Allah or Jesus?") is an editorial penned by Rick Mathes, Executive Director of the Mission Gate Prison Ministry.
We asked Mr. Mathes if he could provide some information about the origins of the piece, and he responded:
This article is an exact recording of a real event that I participated in. My only commentary was, "the truth will prevail." I think this meeting was in May 2003 and I will not give out more details for fear of retribution. The purpose of the class was to increase "religious sensitivity", that is, tolerance for each others beliefs and I really blew that. The director was purple with rage however the Imam and I exchanged signs and said "Salaam" which means "peace" in Arabic (I hope). I questioned him (Imam) really to get a clear refutation of what is commonly thought of this Jihad nonsense. But apparently he wasn't educated enough to rebut my remarks or by his silence on this matter (I think) concurred with my implied conclusions. In either case I was surprised. And when I said I found it hard to be his friend, everyone laughed out loud. So the mood was an amazing mix of those who were interested like me and others that were just amused by the whole thing. I left the matter open on purpose (the truth will prevail) so that either side could speak up and claim the truth as their own.
Reporter Greg Kearney, writing for the Lee News Service, traced the story to a correctional facility in Fulton, Missouri, and came away with a decidedly different version of events from Missouri state officials.
According to Tim Kniest, Public Information Officer for the Missouri Department of Corrections, the event described was a training program for prison volunteers, for which ministers from several faiths were invited to give presentations in order to acquaint prison volunteers with the varied religious beliefs of the inmate population. The man who gave the presentation about Islam was not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was "unable to find an Imam to speak."
Moreover, reported Mr. Kniest, the prison's Volunteer Coordinator said that "The inmate did a good job," adding, "He was asked a few questions that were beyond his ability to answer. But he was not asked anything like that question [in the editorial]":
. . . the Volunteer Coordinator at the prison said that no such exchange as the editorial reported ever took place. "He certainly did not 'Hang his head in shame'," according to Kniest. In fact, the inmate was thanked by the assembly before being escorted back to his quarters. Furthermore, the coordinator does not recall any questions dealing with jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world as reported in the editorial.
In the editorial the inmate is presented as an Imam, or Islamic minister, which he clearly was not.
Whatever may have transpired at the prison training session referred to above, the notion expressed by this piece is inaccurate. Islam is not a monolithic religion in which unanimity of belief and action is coordinated from a central authority. Islam has an estimated two billion adherents in countries all over the world who belong to any one of a number of different sects with varying beliefs, traditions, and interpretations of scripture. (As well, some religious groups identify themselves as Islamic but are not recognized as such by the vast majority of Muslims.) No one Muslim (especially one who wasn't even a cleric) could speak to what all of Islam believes, any more than a single member of a Methodist congregation could speak for every denomination and follower of Christianity. Many, many Muslims reject the idea that "all followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of their faith," or even the suggestion that such an interpretation has ever been a valid tenet of Islam. We sent this piece to several Muslim groups and invited them to offer comments; they provided somewhat different explanations about the concept of jihad, how Muslims regard non-Muslims, and other related topics, but they all agreed that the editorial presented a grossly distorted version of their beliefs.
Last updated: 25 January 2005
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp
Claim: Prison imam is questioned about Islamic attitude toward infidels.
Status: False.
Origins: The piece quoted above ("Allah or Jesus?") is an editorial penned by Rick Mathes, Executive Director of the Mission Gate Prison Ministry.
We asked Mr. Mathes if he could provide some information about the origins of the piece, and he responded:
This article is an exact recording of a real event that I participated in. My only commentary was, "the truth will prevail." I think this meeting was in May 2003 and I will not give out more details for fear of retribution. The purpose of the class was to increase "religious sensitivity", that is, tolerance for each others beliefs and I really blew that. The director was purple with rage however the Imam and I exchanged signs and said "Salaam" which means "peace" in Arabic (I hope). I questioned him (Imam) really to get a clear refutation of what is commonly thought of this Jihad nonsense. But apparently he wasn't educated enough to rebut my remarks or by his silence on this matter (I think) concurred with my implied conclusions. In either case I was surprised. And when I said I found it hard to be his friend, everyone laughed out loud. So the mood was an amazing mix of those who were interested like me and others that were just amused by the whole thing. I left the matter open on purpose (the truth will prevail) so that either side could speak up and claim the truth as their own.
Reporter Greg Kearney, writing for the Lee News Service, traced the story to a correctional facility in Fulton, Missouri, and came away with a decidedly different version of events from Missouri state officials.
According to Tim Kniest, Public Information Officer for the Missouri Department of Corrections, the event described was a training program for prison volunteers, for which ministers from several faiths were invited to give presentations in order to acquaint prison volunteers with the varied religious beliefs of the inmate population. The man who gave the presentation about Islam was not a Muslim minister; he was an inmate pressed into service to present a short film on Islam and answer some questions when the prison's Volunteer Coordinator was "unable to find an Imam to speak."
Moreover, reported Mr. Kniest, the prison's Volunteer Coordinator said that "The inmate did a good job," adding, "He was asked a few questions that were beyond his ability to answer. But he was not asked anything like that question [in the editorial]":
. . . the Volunteer Coordinator at the prison said that no such exchange as the editorial reported ever took place. "He certainly did not 'Hang his head in shame'," according to Kniest. In fact, the inmate was thanked by the assembly before being escorted back to his quarters. Furthermore, the coordinator does not recall any questions dealing with jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world as reported in the editorial.
In the editorial the inmate is presented as an Imam, or Islamic minister, which he clearly was not.
Whatever may have transpired at the prison training session referred to above, the notion expressed by this piece is inaccurate. Islam is not a monolithic religion in which unanimity of belief and action is coordinated from a central authority. Islam has an estimated two billion adherents in countries all over the world who belong to any one of a number of different sects with varying beliefs, traditions, and interpretations of scripture. (As well, some religious groups identify themselves as Islamic but are not recognized as such by the vast majority of Muslims.) No one Muslim (especially one who wasn't even a cleric) could speak to what all of Islam believes, any more than a single member of a Methodist congregation could speak for every denomination and follower of Christianity. Many, many Muslims reject the idea that "all followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of their faith," or even the suggestion that such an interpretation has ever been a valid tenet of Islam. We sent this piece to several Muslim groups and invited them to offer comments; they provided somewhat different explanations about the concept of jihad, how Muslims regard non-Muslims, and other related topics, but they all agreed that the editorial presented a grossly distorted version of their beliefs.
Last updated: 25 January 2005
07-30-2005, 07:45 AM
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Several "mosques" in England have been raided as they are nothing but recruiting, hate spreading, and bomb planning factories. A poll of the 1.6 million muslims in England reveled 100,000 muslums think the bombings in England are justified. These rat nests need to be exterminated, everywhere.
Any religion that condones strapping a bomb to your back and walking into a bus needs to be stopped. I do not hear the uproar of muslums condeming the bombings. I do not hear muslums helping authorities arrest these scum bags clerics.
Any religion that condones strapping a bomb to your back and walking into a bus needs to be stopped. I do not hear the uproar of muslums condeming the bombings. I do not hear muslums helping authorities arrest these scum bags clerics.
07-30-2005, 07:57 AM
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As with any group there are always members who decide to interpret things their own way.
As there are fanatics in the protestant groups who condone bombing abortion clinics, should we also seek to "exterminate" all those who follow the protestant beliefs?
The "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" view of the "infidels"(sorry Bill F.
) is exactly what the fanatic Muslims will use to recruit impressionable youths to join their cause.
As there are fanatics in the protestant groups who condone bombing abortion clinics, should we also seek to "exterminate" all those who follow the protestant beliefs?
The "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" view of the "infidels"(sorry Bill F.
) is exactly what the fanatic Muslims will use to recruit impressionable youths to join their cause.
07-30-2005, 08:07 AM
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I thought this was interesting - I never thought France would have the stones to do something like this - - - - I'm not sure if we'd be able to get away with something like this in the U.S - can you imagine the 'outrage' the ACLUers would have???
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Cont...c30.xml&site=5
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/Cont...c30.xml&site=5
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07-30-2005, 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by truckjunkie
...I never thought France would have the stones to do something like this...
...I never thought France would have the stones to do something like this...
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A good friend of mine and I were talking about the extremist Muslims... and we have both done a lot of research on Islamic beliefs. One of which is that killing is wrong. It is forbidden in the Koran.
And my friend reminded me that the KKK is "christian" Despite the fact the 99% of us find their attitudes and actions deplorable. Just as they think they find justification for their beliefs in the Bible, some extremist Muslims find their justification in the Koran.
If you have already arrived at the conclusion you want, you can read anything and find justification in it.
And my friend reminded me that the KKK is "christian" Despite the fact the 99% of us find their attitudes and actions deplorable. Just as they think they find justification for their beliefs in the Bible, some extremist Muslims find their justification in the Koran.
If you have already arrived at the conclusion you want, you can read anything and find justification in it.
08-01-2005, 10:36 PM
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Great example... We got rid of the KKK now lets get rid of the Extremeist Muslim's. I would seem to me that if it is religois based. that it would be rather easy to come up with a pledge that an incoming alian would have to repeat that would denounce any requirement to cause harm to the US. That would stop the really religious, the athiests... nah.
08-02-2005, 05:12 PM
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08-02-2005, 08:59 PM
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Those no good KKK butt munchs!
08-03-2005, 01:10 AM
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We have the power to destroy our adversaries with the push of a button, why don't we?
Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan( currently housing Osama).
Ask yourself this question:
When was the last time that you saw Americans dancing in the streets celebrating the murder of 3500 innocent lives and countless dollars of property destruction in any other country?
Remember 9/11? I certainly do!!!!
Rick
Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan( currently housing Osama).
Ask yourself this question:
When was the last time that you saw Americans dancing in the streets celebrating the murder of 3500 innocent lives and countless dollars of property destruction in any other country?
Remember 9/11? I certainly do!!!!
Rick
08-03-2005, 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by runamuk
Ask yourself this question:
When was the last time that you saw Americans dancing in the streets celebrating the murder of 3500 innocent lives and countless dollars of property destruction in any other country?
Remember 9/11? I certainly do!!!!
Rick
Ask yourself this question:
When was the last time that you saw Americans dancing in the streets celebrating the murder of 3500 innocent lives and countless dollars of property destruction in any other country?
Remember 9/11? I certainly do!!!!
Rick
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I remember 9-11-01 too.(see my avatar)
