says it all!

 

Which one is Kerry???

 

easy there Larry, i did 6 years active in Viet Nam

 

YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST BLINDED BY WHAT THEY BELEIVE TO BE TRUE AND CORRECT. SHAME ON THEM !

 

Easy there Herb! Go back and look at that post to see who it was directed to and to what context.

Who were you with when you did 6 years active in Viet Nam?

 

Larry, Wilson,

I think you guys misunderstand me. So with your permission I’ll tell you a bit about me and where I stand.

I am an emigrant, came here to get away from communism, and I am glad I did.
At the time Vietnam was just about over, but when I went to the US Embassy to get my entry visa, I had to sign a document that I would serve in the military if so required. 10 days after I arrived, I went downtown Brooklyn, New York to the “selective service” office (I am not sure what exactly it was called back then, my English was less efficient) and I said “I am here do you need me?” Yes, I remember the words because I practiced them for a while. Ever since that day to this day I would without hesitation go and serve this country, for any President, even if I disagreed with the issue. I would do that because, as I am sure you Larry and the rest of the vets, when you did it, you did not do it for the President, you did it for the country. Much like in a marriage, one does it for better or worse.
Since then, I raised two kids, celebrated my 25th wedding anniversary not too long ago. I tried very hard to instill in my kids the same values that I hold dear to this day, the core of which are love for God, family, country, and respect toward your fellow man. Work hard, be honest, always do your best. I think I had some success. My daughter is currently in her second year in college, my son graduated with a bachelor’s in science in molecular biology, and as I have proudly stated a number of times, he is currently in Iraq, with the 2ID out of Fort Lewis.
Two of the proudest moments in my life were the one when I became a citizen and at the same time registered to vote, and when my wife and I pinned the bars on our son’s shoulders when he was commissioned.
I am fully supportive of our military now and always was. I always thought that the lowest form of life were the people who evaded the draft, went to Canada, etc. and those who supported them. I sadly ended a very dear friendship way back then, over the issue of how can anybody let someone else’s kid go to Vietnam to possibly die instead of their own.

Having said that, I will also say that I think the Vietnam war was a sad mistake. Mistake made by the politicians, and what made it sadder was the misleading of the people, by the same politicians. I was ashamed at the treatment the returning veterans received in so many instances. I felt and feel hurt when instead of gratitude and praise soldiers receive anything less. The ignorance of the fact that the soldier serves in the war, not decides to go to war, makes me so angry. And since it is not the soldiers decision when or where to go to war, we have to be grateful for the selfless service.
The cause, well, we get to debate that and based on our convictions either support it or not.
It is the same way with this war. I think it was a bad decision, and ultimately it was made by the President, therefore I do not support him. Make no mistake, I do not hate, George Bush. Life is too short and precious to waste it on hate. I just do not support him.
Yes, the world is better off without Hussein, the idea and possibility of democracy although remote, in the region is a good thing along with freedom for the Iraqi people. I just do not think it should be achieved with the price we are paying in lives and financially. I do not think for a minute that our brave men and women are fighting for our freedom or protecting our country. Nor do I think they are fighting for oil. I just think that it was not our fight to wage. We certainly did not owe them a thing, and as far as the moral obligation, it just rings hollow. Sadly enough there are plenty of other places in the world where genocide is and will be committed, places where we did not and will not intervene. It also is misleading to think that this is good because we are fighting them there instead of here. As reprehensible as the terrorists and their acts are, they are not stupid. What we are fighting there now are the stupid wannabies, and that suits that leadership just fine, so they can plan the next attack on us here. Do not forget terrorists want to create terror and that is not done on a battle field. It is done in our cities, with our innocent population being the victims. So again I’ll say that the war the way is was started was not justified, and the way it is waged is not planed well. BUT, now that we are there, we HAVE to finish. Like Powel said, you break it you buy it.
Unfortunately we are going about it the same wrong way that we did in Vietnam. Bad planning, poorly supplied soldiers, ‘you can’t shoot there’ ‘what will they say’ etc. If you are at war KILL the enemy, wherever he may be. Do it fast and with extreme prejudice. Faluja, Sadir City, and some others are clear failures, NOT of our service men and women, but of the leadership, and the buck stops with the President.
That is why I will not vote for George Bush. Do I think that Kerry is better? Of itself that is in my mind irrelevant. Out of principle, I would not reward a bad job out of fear of what someone else will do. To be precise, no one knows what anybody can or will do in the future. And the notion that Kerry will sell us out to the UN is just silly. That should be my biggest worry in life. If for no other reason, he would want to preserve his wife’s fortune and you can do that “only in America.”

 

You sir, i salute and respect.

 

I respect your citizenship and mostly the way you have enhanced the ideal of America. You are the type of immigrent that the country yearns for and has always embraced.

That being said, you need to go back and study what Kerry's speeches have been. He said that he would only allow American military off our shores under UN authority.

You stated that you were not in favor of the way Vietnam vets were treated when returning. Kerry and Fonda were part of the main reasons that they were treated that way.

No matter what you feel of the decisions Bush has made, or for that matter, anyone else, Kerry has stated his plan and if allowed to he will distroy America. Bush made his decisions with the help of the Congress, including Kerry, with honor. Kerry will take it apart, just as he lived after Vietnam, with dishonor.

I personally would rather die supporting a man of honor, than to be controlled and ruined by a man of dishonor. This is a war, regardless of how we got into it, it is not going away, pacifism is not going to cure it, pacifism does not do anything but encourage terrorists. The UN if allowed to do so by agreement with an administration will take apart the spirit and God given country that we live in.

I also want to add that it is the Liberals that force the position of "lets not make them mad" as it was Johnson, the original Lib that caused it last time. Kerry wants to apologize for going to war. What you will get with him is a replay of Vietnam values.

 

MCLMV, I don't misunderstand you at all, I do think you are confused though.

You stated that enough was enough with the war, and yet you yourself have escaped a living nightmare to behold the joys of freedom. I would think that if ANYBODY would want to see others reap those rewards, it would be you.

If we pull the troops out of Iraq now, what would be the outcome? I can tell you it will be the same outcome that befell the good people of Vietnam.

Millions more will be slaughtered, because we have removed the infrastructure that can protect them. They have no adequate police or security yet. The thugs would just move in and completely take over, and then we end up letting down the Iraqi people, who just want a chance at what you yourself already have.

The same thing happened in Vietnam when we pulled out due to pressure from idiots like John Kerry. Now he wants to do it again, and you want to help him. He doesn't care that leaving before we have helped train the Iraqis to be self securing, will cause countless deaths and suffering, I think you do though.

We are there and we dang sure better not let those people down, by leaving before the job is done, to do so would be a disgrace to the memories of those fallen, and to Liberty itself.

Bush knows this, and he will not back down to the pandering nonsense of the Liberals, thank God.

 

Ya think, MCMLV?

Americans attacked in NYC, The Pentagon, and Pensylvania, American corpses drug through the streets, decapitated, killed in action, school children murdered.......what do you suppose drives these creatures?

Here's a news flash for you, they want to see you dead just as much as they want to see me dead.

I guess maybe I never understood communism, but can't you see what you have found in this country, and what this war means to our way of life?

Good Lord, Man....

 

MCMLV, you're right there are quite a few of us who dislike Kerry. There is a big difference between not liking and hating. I see people on this site and else where that truly hate Bush. I think that hate is what divides us. People can't have an honest debate about the two canidates because of the hate they have toward Bush. I agree with Haulin I don't hate Kerry he disgust me and I have no respect for him but I like to know people personally before I say I hate someone. I think Herb is right (did I just say that!) the 2000 election divided alot of people even though alot of popular Democrats said Bush didn't steel the election Al Gore gave it away because he didn't run smart and it cost him. I mean he didn't even carry my state his "home" state.

I respect and appreciate what all vets have done for this country. I cannot understand for the life of me how a vet could vote for someone who came back and lied about what you were doing while you were fighting an dying in Vietnam. That baffles me. A friend of mine was a Force Recon Marine in Vietnam and it is safe to say he HATES Kerry. Almost as much as he hates Carter for giving his wife half of his retirement for being married for 10 years on active duty.

Barry

 

Herb

The only countries that hold our country at arms length are countries that have something to hide (france, germany, russia) they had their fingers in the cash box of the oil for food program, and they lost ALOT of money in weapon sales when we took Saddam down. As for anyone wondering about Weapons of Mass Destruction our President spent to much time (6 to 8 mnths) in the UN trying to appease all the Bush haters, which would've allowed anyone enough time to relocate their wares to Syria.

I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!!!

 

One point that has been made several times, but I think keeps getting skimmed over is that GW didn't start this war by himself. Nearly everyone in the senate and congress voted FOR it. That included Flip-flop Kerry who will do or say what people want to hear at that particular time.

 

Some clarification are in order.

1. ABSOLUTELY!!! We have to stay and finish the job in Iraq.My disagreement is with the way and reasons it was started ans how it is waged. I point you to the original post:

I’ll say that the war the way is was started was not justified, and the way it is waged is not planed well. BUT, now that we are there, we HAVE to finish. Like Powel said, you break it you buy it.
Unfortunately we are going about it the same wrong way that we did in Vietnam. Bad planning, poorly supplied soldiers, ‘you can’t shoot there’ ‘what will they say’ etc. If you are at war KILL the enemy, wherever he may be. Do it fast and with extreme prejudice. Faluja, Sadir City, and some others are clear failures, NOT of our service men and women, but of the leadership, and the buck stops with the President.
It is a tragedy of imeasurable proportions what happenes in South-east Asia after we pulled out, and the way I see it there is a very strong likelyhood that it could happen here again, because the same mistakes are being made. "YOU CAN NOT SHOOT HERE AND THERE, etc"

2. FREEDOM one of the most cherished "posesions" is a great thing but I think it has to be earned by everybody. Freedom "given" to people usualt do not last nor is it appreciated/cherised for what it is. Lasting freedon has always been earned at various costs. Countless people have given their lives for it, some like myself gave up the certainty of a home, family closeness, for the uncertainety of a new life in a strange land. The only guaranty I was given, was that if I try hard I MAY succede. By the grace of God I did and I did. Let me tell you, when you are without a country (I gave up my citizenship, when I left the country of my birth) and without anything else but your clothes and your ambition, at times you feel like you are at the edge of the deepest chasm.

3.HATE You of course are right, saddly enough THEY do hate us, no doubt about that. I was refering to US here as those who should raise above hate. It is after all what makes us better.

4.I do not think that anythig that Kerry can or would do could permanently hurt oue beloved country. I do believe that we are far stronger than that, that we can and will survive. Come now people have faith in this land of ours, have faith in our capabilites, our resilience. I also think that our biggest problem is the lack of unity, the partisanship, and willingness to undermine our leadership, regardless who it is, instead of supporting it to make the best of it, and then when the time comes make change as it has been done for generations.

I will say this again, I as long as George Bush is the President, I will do anything to be of support just like I would do for any President, because that support is for the country.

 

On this point I have to disagree. Unfortunately times have changed and it is now possible for Kerry or any new president to permanently harm America. Why do I say that? Because the UN is trying so very hard to take control of the USA. If that draft already in place to allow the UN to take over the military and other parts of the states ever becomes law because a US president signed it, then the game over for the US.
Kerry has over and over again indicated his desire and willingness for the UN to have a bigger role in what happens in the US and that really scares me. Does this not scare you too?
Then there is the other problem of allowing the Islamic rule to take over more and more of the US. What is Kerry's stand on this looming problem?