Jack,

I'm pretty new here and have not posted much but I just want to say thanks for the great site and hard work!!! I think I'll be posting more often. It's so hard to keep up with the many forums that I'm a member of.. : ;D

 

Keep up the good work Jack, and everyone involved. I found this site 4 months or so ago while dealing with the lift pump/injector pump problem. I have since gotten a lot of valuable information about my truck from here. But a lot of this info can also be gotten from some of the other diesel sites, as well. And I'm not putting down those other sites, but there is something that keeps bringing me back to this one. I think that &quot;something&quot; is the combination of several things - the info on the trucks, info on many other things from different parts of the country &amp; world, the camaraderie, the support from the users on whatever is happening in your life, etc. It takes a lot to run a site and keep it as successful as this one has been. Not just in time and money, but also patience and determination. Jack seems to be that type of guy and he has put together that type of a staff. My hat's off to all of them. Just my $.02, but it seems that most everyone is thinking along the same lines. <br><br>CR

 

[quote author=cr1998 link=board=10;threadid=7360;start=15#70669 date=1037909173]<br>Keep up the good work Jack, and everyone involved. I found this site 4 months or so ago while dealing with the lift pump/injector pump problem. I have since gotten a lot of valuable information about my truck from here. But a lot of this info can also be gotten from some of the other diesel sites, as well. And I'm not putting down those other sites, but there is something that keeps bringing me back to this one. I think that &quot;something&quot; is the combination of several things - the info on the trucks, info on many other things from different parts of the country &amp; world, the camaraderie, the support from the users on whatever is happening in your life, etc. It takes a lot to run a site and keep it as successful as this one has been. Not just in time and money, but also patience and determination. Jack seems to be that type of guy and he has put together that type of a staff. My hat's off to all of them. Just my $.02, but it seems that most everyone is thinking along the same lines. <br><br>CR<br>[/quote]<br><br>and besides what other site offers coffee and doughnuts faxed right to you

 

[quote author=Huey link=board=10;threadid=7360;start=15#70670 date=1037909405]<br>and besides what other site offers coffee and doughnuts faxed right to you <br>[/quote]<br><br>There you have it! 8)<br><br>

 

Jack,<br> I haven't said anything on this thread yet because I figured many would take my words as being a mirror of your's simply because I am both President of NCDTR #1 and a moderator here.<br> <br> But anybody who knows me, also knows I have my own mind (such as it is) and my own views, and I am far too bull headed to allow myself to be told what to say or think. Anybody who worked on the Chapter committee is undoubtably nodding their head over that statement. :<br> <br> The only thing I wish to say is that reading these reply's I see several that carry the same general theme, stating in essence &quot; We are not children, We know what makes a business successful and what doesn't.&quot; Obviously the only person who could fault you for trying to be a good business man, is one too full of anger to see what is really in front of them.<br> <br> I too have been that individual at times, so caught up in being angry over something that often as not I had no real clue what I was even angry about. I allowed myself to get swept up in the passion of the moment and ended up just being foolish. Many a Dictator has been elected merely by firing up the inner soul of people too blind at the moment to see their own end in sight.<br> <br> I am not comparing anyone or anything with that analogy, merely showing how easily we as humans allow our anger to guide our actions at times. Many a thing get's said in the heat of an argument that would otherwise go unsaid, and sadly once it has been said there is no taking it back.<br> <br> I think your stating all this openly as you have is a good thing, many will not believe it because they simply choose not too. But in doing so you have shown them Respect by opening up a part of you that is frankly nobody's business but your own. I applaud your openness and your attempt at clearing the air.<br> <br> I also see in these reply's the idea stated that &quot; We know how to tell the difference between good information and bad&quot;. I agree with this 100%. I look at everything I read anywhere I find it and judge it for it's merit on it's own accord. That is why we have these open forums so we can bounce these different ideas around and see what works the best for us as individuals.<br><br> Lastly, I hope those individuals who feel inclined to post merely out of anger, will realize that by doing so we can not possibly benefit from their ideas, simply because no one will ever see them. <br> <br> This is not censorship but merely good adult behavior. If an individual remains calm and gives his point of view on a given subject without deliberately setting out to start trouble, we can all see his take on a situation. Spouting off only get's the post removed or worse the individual thrown out. Do not waste your time trying to promote anger, join the discussion and become an asset to everybody who may come along and read your words.<br><br> Thank you Jack for giving me a great place to learn and the opportunity to share in the growth of a growing community of wonderful people.

 

I will agree with everybody to post on this thread so far that Jack and his merry band of Diesel Doers have created and maintain a worthwhile site which suprisingly we don't have to pay for. It is unfortunate there are those that must be political opposition creating negativity instead of using what I have found to be useful informative education that allows us to play, repair and socialize enjoyably at reduced cost or no cost. It is also amazing that what these people have created and maintain can bring together others who have done nothing more than invest in a type of vehicle across two or more nations. If the cost of this service is nothing more than a little free enterprise which again benefits its members through discounts and communication with the manufacturers of the investment we made then so be it. For those that can't appreciate what Jack and company have here please carry on this campground is FULL. PK

 

Well said, Top...well said...

 

He is president. :

 

&quot;Jack and his merry band of Diesel Doers&quot;.... Now that's a picture I'd not thought of. Can't imagine Jack chasing through hill and dale in green tights (ala Robin Hood). But actually, I think the phrase is very appropriate. Too close to being right on. <br>In a serious vein, Top is dead right. We're all dead right. I've said it before, I'll say it again and ad nauseum, we are a family, not biologically but in spirit. Where does someone get off making comments about how a site is constructed and sponsored? Is it some great evil that Jack has sponsors who help pay the bills? <br><br>Matter of fact, it's been a bit** of a day, I'm really pi**ed that someone or someone's have stuck their noses into the only decent site around. If you don't like what you see here, you don't like how it's being administered and sponsored, go find someone else to annoy. I have too few things available to me that I really enjoy. This is one of them. If you were a real person and not just some busy body floating around (better known as a troll) causing trouble because you can't stand the idea that anyone is having more enjoyment of life than you, you'd stand up and face the family of DTR instead of sneaking around and backstabbing. Just who in the he** appointed you the expert on site management. Jack runs a decent ship, donates more than should be expected for something he obviously loves. All the volunteers who step forward and donate their time and money deserve as much credit. It is no small thing to be able develop and maintain such an undertaking. If you don't like it, go start up your own site and run it the way you want, remembering of course, that you'll have no sponsors. Go for it dude. <br><br>Boy, I apologize to my fellow DTR's. This is total b.s. There is no way anyone associated with this site should have to validate their involvement with this site just because some holier than thou, self involved individual or individuals wants to think that they can do the job better and can't stand the fact that Jack has a handle on the situation and is backed up by a great volunteer staff and some very rabid fans. And, I'm proud to lead the pack if so appointed. You betcha. Some people just need to get a life. <br><br>Once again, I apologize to my fellow DTRs. It's not fair that Jack has to take this kind of flak. <br><br>Ok, enough. Putting away the soap box.<br><br>~Dave and da*n proud to sign my name to this submission.

 

Jack,<br><br>first of all let me say that for anyone to question you ethics, hard work, investment or devotion to this site, both you and your staff of volonteers, would be down right juvenile and in need of a real world lesson on how businesses work. That being said, lets see if I can express my opinion, it is just that an opinion, without offending any one. In the spirit of constructive critisism I guess is what I'm trying to say.<br><br>Perception is reality, wetter we like it or not. I think a whole of the heat you've bee taking comes from perception. Go with me here, said sponsor has banner (paid for it he should) said sponsor as a featured articles, said sponsor as a couple of sticky post, said sponsor products are use by the site admin. Nothin' to write home about so far, right? Now throw this into the mix.<br><br>Said sponsor gets in a business disagreement with a said dealer, NEITHER party involved in said disagreement post ANYTHING on this site. Some MEMBERS do but not a word from the parties involved. Now only one side of this said disagreement gets posting priviledge revoked, banners removed and his told when it's all ironed out priviledges will be reinstated,even though it takes two to disagree on something. <br><br>As a result of all this all members comment regarding this issue are prohibited and any comment not reflecting well on said sponsor or admin reaction to said issue are edited or promptly deleted. Even if the members comments had nothing to do with said disagrement(not of our business anyhow) but rather the decision of the site admin regarding one of the parties involved.<br><br>That his where perception comes in and you get a lot of heat. Whatever you motivation was and I'm sure it was the best interest of your site, perception remains by a lot a the readers, that the sites decisions are biased. Would I want to be on your shoes HELL NO, a rock and a hard place comes to mind! Do I have a save the world answer, nope. <br><br>There is a fine line between censoship and maintaining order, not a tight rope I want to walk on but then again I'm not the one who started a public forum! Remember perception is reality and as nothing to do with facts or intentions.<br><br>Off my soap box,<br><br>Glenn<br><br>

 

Glenn,<br> Jack is not here. His mother is gravely ill in the hospital, and as I am sure you understand, he is with her.<br><br> I can not answer for Jack, nor do I know any of the facts surrounding his decisions. The only reason I am posting here now, is to quell another unfound &quot;perception&quot; that he might be refusing to answer you.<br><br> Having said that I will point out one thing I know to be true. When all of this &quot;stuff&quot; started, Jack spent time on the phone with all the parties involved, and after talking at length to each of these individuals, he had to come to a decision.<br><br> Only these people know the real truth about what happened or what was said to bring about this outcome. Having worked with Jack and the other's involved here trying to build the Chapters for all of us to enjoy, I feel no hesitation in standing behind his decision, even without having full disclosure of information myself. <br><br> I have seen upclose what some of His visions are for the future of DTR, and both admire and respect the man as much as any I have ever been lucky enough to meet.<br><br> What ever He did I know he only wanted the very best for the site and those involved. <br><br> I believe he explained all that once already and even though it is none of mine or your business he stood tall and said it publicly for everyone to see.<br><br> I hope this helps bring about some closure for you and any others who may have doubts, frankly I feel everyone is getting tired of the whole affair.<br><br> My word is not to be confused with Jack's, if and when he can reply, I have no doubt he will.<br><br> Lary

 

Lary,

no closure needed, it's done. Plus not ammount of arguing is going to change anybody's mind at this point. I was just stating my opinion on why &quot;I&quot; think there is a perception that the site is sponsor biased, true or not. Nothin' more.

Glenn
My best wishes to Jack and his family during these trying times. May they find peace.

 

I just want to take this time and tell you what a great site this is. It is user friendly and very informative. We as users make this site great with all the helpful information that users post. I have learned a great deal about diesel engines that I would have never known without the DTR.<br><br>With that said I also like the friendships that I have encountered. Everyone here is nice and seem to have a great time. Hats off to everyone 8). <br><br>I like seeing the sponsers advertisements at the top. This keeps us from being interrupted by all the junk that most sites have. That is a turn off to all who look through many sites. I had no idea about the money spent. As far as a donation, I was unaware of it. I would love to send some money to help because I use this site every night almost. I do feel that people have been taken in this old world so much that they would like to see where the money goes, or even a section that say &quot;This thread created by moneys donated by the following!&quot; That would give a sense of pride to all. <br><br>Like I said this seems like a family. Familys will have trouble, but you forgive and forget. If not for People like DieselDude4x4 and Briar Hopper, I would not have found this wealth of Knowledge.<br><br>I hope this site grows for many years because it is a sanctuary for all who crave knowldge and a good joke.<br><br>Thanks Jack for the time and hard work. Sorry for the family disturbance you are encountering.

 

I really appreciate your candor Glenn.<br><br> One thing I did not say simply because most of all I just want it to go away so we can all forget about it is, Go look at some of the other sites where everybody is still fighting over this issue. Bottom line we just do not want that here!.<br> <br> These guys involved are all good people and have a problem they need to work out. When everybody keeps talking about it the start of the Healing process just keeps getting further away.<br> <br> Time heals everything and I have no doubt at the end of the road we will all see the reasoning behind this.<br> <br> Glenn, if my answer to you earlier seemed harsh or unfair, I want you to know I don't mean it that way. I am just really sick about this whole thing watching friends pick sides and go after each other over something that didn't have to happen this way.