LEO protocol for concealed weapons
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Huh? I would think that NY State has no choice but to recognize a federal carry permit. That is why it is called a federal permit. ( unless NY succeeded and i wasn't aware of it) Can you direct me to a link or something about this? I am going to be traveling there in the spring. Thanks.
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Thanks for the input folks. The web sites are particularly helpful.
And no, I didn't sleep through the class. In Indiana, if you're not a felon, not crazy and can fill out the form, they send you a permit.
So, good info, about what I thought, but nice to get the perspective from the guy outside the car.
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Brian
And no, I didn't sleep through the class. In Indiana, if you're not a felon, not crazy and can fill out the form, they send you a permit.
So, good info, about what I thought, but nice to get the perspective from the guy outside the car.
Thanks,
Brian
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From: Claremont, Virginia
In Va, he/she knows as soon as he/she runs your plate that you have a CHP since the liscense is coded as such (in theory anyway). It depends on the officer. A friend of mine got stopped and told the officer he was carrying and he said I don't care. Another one got stopped and had to surrender the weapon immediately before the process started. Like everyone else says, check your state laws to be on the correct side of the bars.
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In Va, he/she knows as soon as he/she runs your plate that you have a CHP since the liscense is coded as such (in theory anyway). It depends on the officer. A friend of mine got stopped and told the officer he was carrying and he said I don't care. Another one got stopped and had to surrender the weapon immediately before the process started. Like everyone else says, check your state laws to be on the correct side of the bars.
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The only time I was stopped while being an Indiana resident with a CCW, I had the 1911 sitting next to me on the seat, slide back, mag out. I also always have car off, windows down, both hands on the top of the wheel, that is just good practice.
Kind of startled the LEO, but he was cool about it after asking about my CCW. After telling him I had to reach for my wallet, I produced both. From then on, I could do no wrong.
YMMV.
Kind of startled the LEO, but he was cool about it after asking about my CCW. After telling him I had to reach for my wallet, I produced both. From then on, I could do no wrong.
YMMV.
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From: Neola Utah
Im a officer in Utah and it ticks me off when I don't get infomed of the CCWP. Best thing to do is hand them the card and inform them (verbal only!!!) where the weapon is. If no weapon still give them the card. and let them know you do not have a weapon on you.
I would rather know you do carry at times, it just make me more aware of what is going on.
I would rather know you do carry at times, it just make me more aware of what is going on.
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Here in VA you have to show that you have had some firearm training, DD214 is what I showed, but hunter training or NRA class for it counts as well.
If you dont practice with what ever you carry there is no point to having it.
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Informing the officer at the window that "I have a gun and a permit" is taking a BIG chance that he/she will hear the "and a permit" part.
You'll likely be staring down the barrel of a Glock before you can finish the sentence.
"I have a permit to carry concealed. How would you like to proceed?" .... with your hands on the steering wheel and the interior light on, would be the way to start the encounter.
Or just don't speed, and you'll never have to worry about it.
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What the CHP class teaches depends on the class and instructor.
Some are little more than a few hours of classroom.
The one I took in Chantilly, Virginia involved two days of classroom plus range time.
You'll likely be staring down the barrel of a Glock before you can finish the sentence.
"I have a permit to carry concealed. How would you like to proceed?" .... with your hands on the steering wheel and the interior light on, would be the way to start the encounter.
Or just don't speed, and you'll never have to worry about it.
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What the CHP class teaches depends on the class and instructor.
Some are little more than a few hours of classroom.
The one I took in Chantilly, Virginia involved two days of classroom plus range time.
These classes are not for the novice shooter. The 12 hour Concealed Firearm Course was developed around the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services Course for Armed Security Officers and with input from the Fairfax County Police Department. The course covers the Virginia Concealed Weapons Law; federal, state and local restrictions; the Virginia law concerning the use of deadly force; firearm maintenance and safe storage; equipment and ammunition selection; proper loading and shooting techniques; and, concludes with a written exam. The firearm proficiency portion of the course is a 60 round, 300 point modified PPC Course designed to give the student practice and experience in drawing and firing at a stationary target under pressure. The course is fired at three distances: 3 yards, 7 yards and 15 yards.
1. At the 3 yard line you fire 18 rounds
First Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 2 rounds in 3 seconds, this is repeated 3 times.
Second Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 6 rounds with your strong hand, reload and fire 6 rounds with your weak hand in 25 seconds, total 12 rounds.
2. At the 7 yard line you fire 24 rounds:
First Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 1 round in 2 seconds, this is repeated 6 times.
Second Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 2 rounds in 3 seconds, this is repeated 3 times.
Third Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 6 rounds, reload and fire 6 more rounds all with your strong hand in 30 seconds, total 12 rounds.
3. At the 15 yard line you fire 18 rounds:
From behind barricade you will be given 70 seconds to draw, kneel and fire 6 rounds strong hand, stand, reload, and fire 6 rounds weak hand, reload, and fire 6 rounds strong hand
1. At the 3 yard line you fire 18 rounds
First Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 2 rounds in 3 seconds, this is repeated 3 times.
Second Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 6 rounds with your strong hand, reload and fire 6 rounds with your weak hand in 25 seconds, total 12 rounds.
2. At the 7 yard line you fire 24 rounds:
First Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 1 round in 2 seconds, this is repeated 6 times.
Second Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 2 rounds in 3 seconds, this is repeated 3 times.
Third Sequence of fire is to draw and fire 6 rounds, reload and fire 6 more rounds all with your strong hand in 30 seconds, total 12 rounds.
3. At the 15 yard line you fire 18 rounds:
From behind barricade you will be given 70 seconds to draw, kneel and fire 6 rounds strong hand, stand, reload, and fire 6 rounds weak hand, reload, and fire 6 rounds strong hand
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Informing the officer at the window that "I have a gun and a permit" is taking a BIG chance that he/she will hear the "and a permit" part.
You'll likely be staring down the barrel of a Glock before you can finish the sentence.
"I have a permit to carry concealed. How would you like to proceed?" .... with your hands on the steering wheel and the interior light on, would be the way to start the encounter.
Or just don't speed, and you'll never have to worry about it.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
What the CHP class teaches depends on the class and instructor.
Some are little more than a few hours of classroom.
The one I took in Chantilly, Virginia involved two days of classroom plus range time.
You'll likely be staring down the barrel of a Glock before you can finish the sentence.
"I have a permit to carry concealed. How would you like to proceed?" .... with your hands on the steering wheel and the interior light on, would be the way to start the encounter.
Or just don't speed, and you'll never have to worry about it.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
What the CHP class teaches depends on the class and instructor.
Some are little more than a few hours of classroom.
The one I took in Chantilly, Virginia involved two days of classroom plus range time.
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It's not a gun either, its a pistol.
I didnt carry a gun, I carried a rifle.
They arent seekers they are go fasters.... ok that one kinda got lost after I got out.
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wife and I started CWP class last nite.
50 rounds and ~7 hours class time.
this was major point of discussion.
here's the general idea: don't scare the Cop into shooting you.
hands on wheel, interior lights on if windows are tinted, windows down if possible,
give him the L / R, permit, and advise you are a Permit holder, and if you have a "firearm" in the vehicle, and it's location.
there are always "internet Commando" story's of the LEO taking the gun to thier car, and unloading the shells, but that's a LOT of responsibility on an LEO to know how to handle any firearm ever made SAFELY.
i usually show my retired Military ID also, that gets you a lot more respect from the LEO.
i put 69k miles on my 04 in 2 years, i have to speed to do that many miles in 2 years...
http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t23c031.htm
Title 23 - Law Enforcement and Public Safety
CHAPTER 31.
FIREARMS
ARTICLE 1.
PURCHASE OF RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS
http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t16c023.htm
Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
CHAPTER 23.
OFFENSES INVOLVING WEAPONS
ARTICLE 1.
HANDGUNS
50 rounds and ~7 hours class time.
this was major point of discussion.
here's the general idea: don't scare the Cop into shooting you.
hands on wheel, interior lights on if windows are tinted, windows down if possible,
give him the L / R, permit, and advise you are a Permit holder, and if you have a "firearm" in the vehicle, and it's location.
there are always "internet Commando" story's of the LEO taking the gun to thier car, and unloading the shells, but that's a LOT of responsibility on an LEO to know how to handle any firearm ever made SAFELY.
i usually show my retired Military ID also, that gets you a lot more respect from the LEO.
i put 69k miles on my 04 in 2 years, i have to speed to do that many miles in 2 years...
http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t23c031.htm
Title 23 - Law Enforcement and Public Safety
CHAPTER 31.
FIREARMS
ARTICLE 1.
PURCHASE OF RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS
http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t16c023.htm
Title 16 - Crimes and Offenses
CHAPTER 23.
OFFENSES INVOLVING WEAPONS
ARTICLE 1.
HANDGUNS