Marcus, you pretty much have to be a resident. Here you still have to go in front of a gun board for your local county and I think there would be an issue with the background check. Not that Austria does a substandard check, but it would be a job to verify everything. Most stipulate to carry the pistol concealed. Long guns don't apply. In my state, the long gun has to be locked in the trunk (or unacessable by the occupants), unloaded. To buy one here, you have to chose a State carefully. Here, you either have to hold a ccw permit and buy a pistol over the counter, or if not, you have to get a purchase permit for the pistol.

 

its a touchy issue. Actually i always considered my Small town iowa of belmond to be "safe" But after the shootings in MN, the day after someone called in a bomb threat. If BELMOND IOWA. a town of like 2500-3000 people. Its sad. they never found a bomb. And going back to that. When i was in school we did have a disgruntled student. One of those quite ones sat back in the corner. And i know i shrugged him off a time or two as well. But one day he decided he was going to bring a gun and "take out" the homecomming royalty at the peprally. They took him into the office and didnt let him go to the rally. And then when no one showed up for school the police stepped in, But thats ALL they were going to do. Its just like people he said he was gonna kill 10 students and listed them.


My idea. Being schools can make ya wear uniforms. What about some kind of anklet or wrist band, Something that could be controled by a secure area kinda like a tazer band or something. Less leathal. effective in seconds. Granted a system like that would cost a purty penny. But you could make it something like everyone in the specific room where the violance is will be stunned. I know id rather be knocked on my butt than s hot at.

 

I think armed teachers would be a better solution...
Actually, I think elehants with blowguns running around the school's perimeter would be a better solution...

 

In Utah you not only have to be 21 to apply for a CCW, but you also have to be 21 to buy a handgun, or ammo for a handgun.

18 to buy a rifle or shotgun, and 18 to buy the ammo for said rifle or shotgun.

All you have to do to get a CCW in Utah is be 21, attend a 4 hour class, submit to and pass a FBI background check including fingerprints (your prints are now in federal database), supply 2 passport quality photos (your photo is now attached to your prints in the database) and pay the fee.
You get to keep the CCW for 5 years at which time you pay another fee to have it renewed, then another 5 years at which time you submit an updated photo, etc etc.

I'm assuming the FBI background check would kick you out if you weren't a US citizen, and of course if you were ever convicted of a felony.


phox

 

I'm all for arming law abiding citizens. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I've witnessed a security guard watching armed criminals rob and vandalize vehicles in a parking lot. I asked him why he wasn't doing something and his response was, "I have a flashlight, a nightstick, and a telephone. They have guns, what do you expect me to do?" Why does everyone call the police? Simple, because they have guns! If law abiding citizens are armed and trained in the use of their equipment they are extensions of law enforcement and have the opportunity to make a difference in the outcome of a dangerous situation.

 

Marcus I can give you a little answer to your questions. If you buy in a lot of states from a private person, the identity checks are not required. I can buy what I want from private persons with no check here in Alabama. Also you will find that the northeastern states are the most difficult for firearms. To transport it is much easier if laws are restraining to disassemble the weapon. Sometimes they can be shipped in pieces where an assembled weapon cannot. I really don't know about customs getting it out of the country. But the legal purchase is not hard, just buy personal. To be safe I think I would write to the US Customs and see what they have to say about it. It is darn sure that you won't fly out with it. There must be a legal channel to transport it.

On the schools thing it is sometimes impossible to comply. At least in Alabama it is just as illegal to have a pistol in a vehicle on school grounds even with a permit. So you have to drive the kids to school one day and you are armed. What do you leagally do? Leave it on the curb and come back and pick it up? Several arrests have come from a vehicle search in our local little town, one even for a student that had a bread knife in the back of the pickup truck after a camping trip, read 0 tolorance.

 

Thanks to all for the answers to my gun questions. Actually your system now looks quite like ours, with the checks about background etc. I'm not intending to buy a gun in the USA (got enough guns for my taste in my house), my interest was there because european media make it look like it's possible to go to the next store and simply get a gun in the USA.
The school ground issues "zero tolerance" were reported over here too. I think the problem is that now something has happened people are overreacting.
All the sysems that were suggested like tazers, armed elephants etc will make the school look more and more like a concentration camp or a prison - IMHO places that are not really encouraging to seek for peaceful ways of resolving issues.
What I can't imagine is that a kid can get into such a state of mind where it's going to kill a lot of people and then commit suicide and nobody notices. Maybe even nobody cares.
At least for me it was like that that when I had hard times I had friends to talk to and maybe have a beer at the campfire while getting away for some days to cool the head and let the bruised heart heal.

AlpineRAM

 

I'm pressed for time right now so I didn't read all of your comments...but in my opinion, especially in today's society, schools should NOT be one of the places where folks who are licensed and trained to carry guns are prohibited from carrying.

Key words....licensed and trained.

In my opinion, anyone should be able to carry a gun anywhere as long as the following conditions are met:

1) They do not have a criminal background.
2) They are at least 21 years of age.
3) They have proven themselves to be proficient with a handgun.
4) The handgun is concealed (I'm not a fan of open carry).

You commit a (serious) crime then you lose your rights to carry.

As the old saying goes...."an armed society is a polite society."

 

The school system my 3 kids go to DOES have guns within.
In fact, the oldest kid is going to be signed up for a firearms safety and indoctrination class before too much longer. It is actually in the school's curriculum! The Principal himself said so!

Thank God, but in their school we don't have to worry about them being subjected to: busing, "diversity" indoctrination, gangs, Planned Parenthood Inc. sex seminars, applying condoms to cucumbers, indoctrination in alternate world religions, being forbidden to pray to or mentioning Jesus Christ, outcome based education curriculum (no wrong answers, everything is relative), etc.
It may not be a perfect school system while at the same time being very expensive for us parents! But the Principal and teaching staff are held responsible for what the kids learn, how they behave and for their day-to-day safety and security. It is a tough job, the stakes are very high, the money is virtually non-existant definitely making it not a job for the faint of heart!

We HOMESCHOOL our kids...

Keith