Well, remembering my time at school I'd say that teachers should either not be armed or even better be trained in the use of firearms and be fired if they failed the test. At least over here I think that many people will become teachers to be in a position to dictate to somebody. IMHO 90% of the teachers I had would be very bad news if armed. (I think about mental stability or the lack thereof)
I think the biggest problem, but the hardest one to solve is the cause of these shootings. The numbers seem to increase, it's getting popular to shoot in school. But why that? I think this needs to be answered and solved instead of starting an arms race between school authorities and students.

Just my 2c

AlpineRAM

 

There is one thing that you need to consider here. Our public schools have become a "Safe Zone" for everyone except the students, teachers, and staff. The idea of not allowing firearms in schools in the hands of TRAINED individuals, has created soft targets for anyone who wants to create a disaster.

As a teacher for many years, I can tell you that our students are completely unprotected within the school environment. Considering that police response time to any volatile situation in a school is going to be several minutes at best, the students, faculty, and staff are left helpless and at the mercy of the attacker.

I understand that there is no solution that will protect our children 100%. But, steps like these would be ones in the right direction.

Justin

 

Do I see 1939 starting again??


ARMED teachers???

I guess I better shut up NOW before I get BANNED from the site........................

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Attention Criminals:
All victims in this area have been disarmed for your safety and convenience.
Have a nice day.

The "Brady" Bunch.

Still not thrilled at the idea of Mrs Crabapple with a 44 magnum tucked under her arm.

 

There is no easy answer. Troubled kids don't the the help they need.
It was ccw permited person that used a gun to stop the shooter a few years back at a collage. I forget the details.
Also, I think that in Utah, a permit holder can carry in a school. The theory behind that is if there is a problem. It may be stoped. I think I read that somewhere.

 

1st goal is to weed out the teachers that are too busy pushing personal agendas, than to be looking for the students that are slipping through the cracks.

 

I had an Industial Arts teacher, who would get VERY mad if someone shot him. He would probably go break them in half!!!
He pick up a student who smarted off to him, with one arm and it was straight.
He gained a lot of class respect that day.
No law suit, and no more problems.

 

Yeah, mine probably wouldn't have been able to pull a trigger without all his fingers, but he made sure everybody knew about his skill at placing his size 13 steeltoes in uncomfortable places. He was a big boy, I've seen 1 or 2 go to the office by the scruff of the neck, toes making funny litttle lines in the dust on the floor.

 

You are correct.

The University of Utah is trying to get that law changed though, with not much success.

There's even been a few teachers come out and say that they carry in school.
They did this behind anonymity though, but now those that wish to do harm are having second thoughts about trying anything in the schools.

I volunteered at my kids school for a couple years and it just felt wrong carrying, so I left it at home.
This was an elementary school mind you, if it had been a high school #1 I wouldn't be volunteering and #2 I would have probably carried.



phox

 

Is it against the law for somebody with a CCW to carry in a public school? I don't see why it would be, or even could be...

I don't see anything at all against it; I wouldn't mind my teachers carrying...

 

Directly from the Utah State site: http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFLCarry.html
I do have a Utah CCW Permit.

IN PERSON

It is unlawful for a person with a firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in the following locations:

Any secure area in which firearms are prohibited and notice of the prohibition is posted
A secure area of an airport
Any courthouse, churches if posted, mental health facility or correctional facility that may provide by rule that no firearm may be transported, sold, given, or possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed at each entrance to a secure area in which a dangerous weapon, firearm, or explosive is restricted
A concealed weapon permit is not a defense to prosecution for any person who carries a weapon while under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance.

It is lawful to carry a firearm "capable of being concealed" in one’s home or place of business without a permit.

It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm on any public street without a permit.

It is unlawful to carry a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance with or without a permit.

CARRYING IN VEHICLES

Only a peace officer in the performance of his duty or a person with a valid permit to carry may carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.

It is unlawful for a person without a concealed firearms permit to carry a concealed firearm into a bus terminal.

It is lawful for a person with a concealed firearm permit to board a bus or a train or enter a terminal with a concealed firearm upon their person or effects. This also applies to law enforcement officers or commercial security personnel with firearms used in their employment.

It is lawful to carry a firearm in a vehicle without a permit if: the firearm is unloaded; securely encased (not including a glove box or console box) and is not readily accessible for immediate use.

On another note:
March 19, 2004 Gov. Mike Leavitt signed into law an amendment to the state's concealed-carry law. The amendment gave licensed handgun owners the right to carry their weapons into any Utah school and prohibited schools from keeping the guns out. The University of Utah did convince a state court that it had the right to continue its policy of banning firearms (the state's attorney general has appealed the ruling), but for all other schools in the state, the law allowing guns in school is now in effect.


Mike

 

Some questions- what age do you need to have to be able to get a concealed carry permit?
How about a firearm that is carried visibly? Or a firearm that can not be concealed? (EG using a cowboy belt holster for the .44 if you do not wear a coat would not be concealing the weapon, or for the second example a long rifle or something else too big to be concealed) Do you need a permit for these situation too?

How about rules for foreigners? EG I as an Austrian would like to buy a gun in the USA- on the Austrian side everything is clear, I've got an import permit, but how about on the American side- can I go to a shop and simply buy one?

Just asking out of interest in the rules.

THX

AlpineRAM

 

Depends on the state. In Texas, you'll get hammered and hammered hard if you're caught carrying on school property, and that includes colleges and universitites.

 

Marcus, it may vary from state to state. In Texas, you must be 21 in order to apply for a CHL. Now as for carrying openly, it isn't something I'd recommend in public!

Some states do require you to register yourself as a gun owner regardless of the type of firearm you own. Some don't. I don't know about purchasing requirements by foreigners, though.

 

i tell ya what i am in the 9th grade(2nd time) and i WILL feel safer if SOME of my teachers carried. I know there are alot of teachers that would be affraid to shoot a bb-guna nd there are some that i kno go to a target range whenever they can.And the so calle "sucurity" at my school sucks. they are afraid to go into the bathrooms to bust the kids for smoking weed and doin other drugs.. just my $.02 worth since i experience it everday just about