Lary Ellis (Top)

I received this in my email today, I am not certain about the validity of any of these comments, but it would not surprise me if they are correct.

TiredoftherhetoricTop
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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great
deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time
since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb 18,1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin
(D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi
(D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies." > - Madeline Albright, Clinton
Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated
of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the
means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept.
27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd
(D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons
within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always
underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of
mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy
his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He
has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda
members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton
(D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob
Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is
eal" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT
THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR
UNNECESSARILY!

crobtex

wv smoker

AMEN, Brother--- and pass the ammunition.............

blackjack

Makes you kinda wonder don't it? Hasn't always been the norm on the hill to stand for what ever is fashionable at the time and then lie like a dog if you get caught defending the wrong thing. Very few people and no politicians will stand up and say I don;t care how you view me but here are my beliefs.What it boils down to though is Saddam had these weapons and these guy's knew it. we simply played into the hand and gave them time to dispose of them and make us look like a bunch of school kid's.

PumpDaddy

I bet they where all smoking that same stuff the Rev. Al Sharpton and Howard Dean was smoking and also sipping from Ted Kennedy's hooch bottle, or like ole slick Willie said, "I smoked it but I never inhaled" and "I never had sex with that woman, I couldn't have, she was on her knees and I was standing up"

j-fox

Most of our elected officials think we have very short memories. Unfortunately they are right.
The good thing is, right now if the dems want Kerry to run, they must want Bush to have 4 more years!!!!!!!!!!!

Cowhand

And people wonder why I can't stand liberals.....bunch of crawfish. Wouldn't be suprised to see Hanoi Jane take up residence in the Gaza Strip. Alec Baldwin said he'd move to France if GW got elected. I sent him a letter offering to help him pack, but he's still here........

welder27

Yeah, and watch France be the next ones bombed in a terror attack!

Tengu

Somone said "If George Bush was to walk on water they would say that it was because he can't swim". I say "Politics will make fools of us all"!
Whether or not going to war in Iraq was a good Idea (for the record I am very glad we did) ,the fact that we must deal with NOW is that we have a tiger by the tail!! We could'nt back out of this fight if we wanted to. Now that the gloves are off we have to win this thing.
I can't even imagine what would happen if Kerry gets in there. The balance of world power is shifting around quite a bit now that the USSR is no more. But the power is still out there it is in China, the EU and Oil cartel! We can either take control or have it taken, it is a simple choice. The Dems think that we can appease the whole world and provide everone with everything all the while making everyone love us for our good will. The fact of the matter is that much of the world would like us to dissolve wither and DIE! Nothing would please them more. O.k O.K. deep breaths now Dave........................in with the good air................out with the bad............

peteygirl

Don't forget, Al Gore invented the internet! If you don't believe me, just ask him, he made that remark many times. Don't be too hard on the guy though, he doesn't know he's the village idiot. Actually, don't be so hard on all those wonderful Democrats! Just because they're a group of lying scumbags ! In fact, Hillary Clinton (our charming state senator, voted in by the People's Republic of New York City) is really quite useful! Laminate her photo to the bottom of your toilet bowl and I can guarantee you'll never miss your target again!

Redleg

Maybe the Republicans did over-react a bit. Some of the info was obtained from deffectors that would prosper with any information they had to give out. I haven't seen much evidence of them trying to pass the buck yet. They are continuing with their agenda.

The Democrats have plenty of scewed beliefs to off- set any of their good standings. I think this is typical of their lack of integrity. They realized they were flapping in the wind on most issues, the last few years. They jumped on the bandwagon, mostly to boost their image. It's easier to let somebody else do the work and ride their curttails to glory. If they land on their face, you can always step back and start laying the blame. The Dems. should have questioning sources from the get go. They're legislators, that's why we pay them big bucks!
I expect to see the Democrats dispute Republican issues, but I get tired of being treated like I'm stupid and can't notice when somebody is being wishy-washy. They can't seem to realize not only do some of us have the ability to detect these traits (they call these social skills), but there are many more people that earn a living developing those skills, than there are politicians. I leaned Democratic at our last local elections, itl'' be awhile before that happens again. She's giving a lot of hugs and reassurance while she's doing it, but it still doesn't stop the pain.

Next........

1sttruck

Two of the most important facts have been left out; Blix present his report on Iraq to the UN on 27Jan2003, and how Bush vs others reacted to the report.

It's obvious that Blix has been vindicated, as even if today the US found some evidence somewhere that Iraq had WMD immediately prior to the war, it would have taken over a year of desperate searching to find it. The problem now is that in light of the rather large credibility gap on the issue, few would believe that the evidence was real and that it hadn't been planted. Blix stated that his team could cover Iraq and insure that the UN sanctions that were being used by the US as justification for war would be met. Again it's now clear that Blix was also correct.

When Bush Sr went to war in Iraq it was at the head of the largest military coalition that the world had seen since WWII. The result of Bush Jr going to war in Iraq is that the US is now more isolated at any time since WWII, as Bush chose to pretty much ignore international law and invaded Iraq. When the war broke out I commented to friends and coworkers that the best possible outcome would be a situation similar to what Isreal is experiencing in the Mideast. Unfortunately the situation has proven to be worse, and we may yet not know how bad it is as we didn't finish addressing the real terrorist threats in Afghanistan. Gee, anyone remember Afghanistan ? We haven't even been able to find what is apparently a right wing nut that was spreading anthrax around the US.

Tengu

I know, why don't we just let Saddam out of jail, pull out of Iraq apologize to the french give the terrorists the RIGHTS that they want and just sit at home and see what happens!!
Hans Blix can take his report and stick it in the orafice of his choice!

butchera

WMD are there someplace. Maybe they were moved to Syria, but then again, if the Iraqis can bury an entire Air Force in the sand - What else is buried out there????

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_247.shtml

Cowhand

I think the point here is that the liberals are trying to lay the blame for this "unnecessary war" squarely in GW's lap. Yes, GW gave the order, as commander in chief, but this was after months, even years, of deliberation on whether or not Saddam was complying with UN mandates. Left to its' own devices, the UN's rhetoric would have continued for years with no tangible results. Top's post pointed out there there has been intelligence going back many years claiming that Iraq had or was develping WMD, and that Saddam had no reservations about using them, even on his own people.

Now, if you had years of intelligence regarding WMD, and Happy Hans and his delegation of inspectors trying to cover an entire country and never quite finding anything, a ruthless dictator who has frequently been deceptive in this matter before, and a cash strapped country reeling from years of UN sanctions (with the capability to secretly develop, manufacture, and sell WMD), what would you do? Continue to talk and threaten ad nauseum, as the UN was doing, or PUSH THE BUTTON?

As it turns out, we did find evidence that France and Germany were selling equipment and parts to Saddam in contravention of the UN sanctions. We didn't find this out until after we invaded Iraq, so it appears to me that Saddam and his euro buddies can keep a secret hidden from Happy Hans and his crew.

IMO, it's been established that the EU's objections had nothing to do with right vs. wrong and everything to do with the lucrative contracts Saddam had signed with some very influential French and German firms. Yep, big business drives their governments as well.

What it boils down to is, do we shoot first and ask questions later, or wait until we get victimized yet again so that we can appear to be the good neighbor?