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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 10:46 AM
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I am on of those who feel there are certain proffessions that DO NOT have the right to walk-out. LEO/Corrections are two of them.
Just how much did you and your 1100 cohorts endanger the lives of the officers who didnt call-in, by their not having the manpower to do the job safely?
EXACTLY!
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 10:53 AM
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President Ronald Reagan Had a solution to walkouts by the air traffic controllers.

If My Crew walks off the job we endanger a hospital full of patients and I would fire them all if they did it.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:05 AM
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you are entitled to your opinion,but it was our last resort in an ongoing battle and the officers that were stuck for the shifts knew it was coming on that day and yes believe it or not they supported the cause because it was just as much as for them as it was for us. speaking to a few of them today and last night none were sour about the situation and like the excessive amount of overtime in their pockets. if you are not in this field of law enforcement you need not to respond negatively because you do not understand the situation.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:12 AM
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I understand completely because I have had, and still have family that's in your very line of work.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:12 AM
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Which part do we not have the ability to understand?

Do you think that being in New Jersey law enforcement is the only job that is dangerous, health threatening, and underpaid?

Or do you think you are the only one being asked to pay higher and higher percentages of your health care costs.

Or maybe you think you are the only one that feels that upper management is not working in their best interest?

Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:15 AM
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You posted your dishonesty for the world to see( Theft from the NJ Tax Payers) so we do have a Right to respond.

I have Mental patients try to spit on me and bite me or what ever when we help restrain them but have to pay my share of my Health insurance(over 50%). Its a fact of life as long as anybody can run to a Edwards type Lawyer and sue for millions of dollars they don’t deserve it will only get worse. The only people in America that deserve free healthcare are The Military and Children.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:18 AM
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what you do not understand is that you have to respond in such a manner that causes a big upset in the states pockets. my fellow officers did this same thing in the 80's with a positive feed back. no i am not saying my job is the only dangerous job but i am working with the worst of the worst and i believe and my fellow 6,173 officers beleive we should be compensated for what we do or what we may have to do ultimately our lives.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:47 AM
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"if you are not in this field of law enforcement you need not to respond negatively because you do not understand the situation"

I have held a commison in one form or another for almost 18 years... I understand completley and I am one who, were I a supervisor who had men do this, would fire the lot....
You have a responsibility that transends your personal feelings. Both to the community and the men you work with.
I have been through contract negotions that went to arbitration, and we picketed, got local unions to support us, made so much noise we couldnt be ignored, but NEVER would we have staged a walkout.
It just ewould never have been worth risking one of our men or one of our citizens.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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Wonder what would happen if those in my profession came down with the "green flu"?
That 2 star that I work for would have a whole bunch of new hire applications to look at in a real short time.
I may not like the way many things are done here, but what I, and many others like myself, do directly affects the lives of those we support, not just here stateside, but those that are deployed. We have to do our job right the first time, every time, or someone may die long before they are supposed to. And why, because we didn't feel like doing this or that, or because of a "that's good enough" attitude. One thing that I preach constantly is that when a piece of equipment leaves this shop, the individual that performed maintenance on it better be willing to stake his life on how well it operates. When it leaves here it will be as close to perfect as possible. There ain't no such thing as close enough.
There are better ways to deal with grievences. There is a chain of command, union officials, etc. that should be utilized.
I have no tolerance for those that display such a lack of professionalism that it endangers other peoples lives. I have worked a lot of 60 - 80 hour weeks since 9-11. I may not recover a tenth of the extra time (since we don't get overtime pay), but I do have a good warm and fuzzy feeling that I and my people have done their best.
.The additional requirements placed on many of us since 9-11 is not going away anytime soon. That possibility came when we raised our right hand. It's part of the job. If any of my people walked out, they best clean their desk out before they leave. No if's, and's, or but's.
If this offends anyone, I'll apologize. 'cause that the nice thing about this country we live in. We can speak our mind.
End of rant.

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:57 AM
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Since this all started out about healthcare costs:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...lth_costs_dc_5
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by FANZDSLPWR
what you do not understand is that you have to respond in such a manner that causes a big upset in the states pockets. my fellow officers did this same thing in the 80's with a positive feed back. no i am not saying my job is the only dangerous job but i am working with the worst of the worst and i believe and my fellow 6,173 officers beleive we should be compensated for what we do or what we may have to do ultimately our lives.
Then you do so without sacrificing the safety of others. I don't know if you took an "oath" when you took that job, but it would seem to me that you foreswore that oath when you played "hookie".

The unions need to get this through their heads. There's no free ride any more. You have to work for those benefits just like the rest of us, and guess what? Some of those benefits are gonna come out of your pocket each month, just like the rest of us. There's no more free lunches, no more jobs for life, and there sure aren't any guarantees that you can KEEP your job just because you show up. Even we military retirees are paying for some of our health costs now, and that used to be free, too. Time to wake up and see the real world.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:10 PM
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no thats why unions are in place to negotiate what we deserve.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by FANZDSLPWR
no thats why unions are in place to negotiate what we deserve.
Don't even get me going. The few families I knew who belonged to unions were ruined by them. Not because they got what they deserved but because they ended almost going broke during two strikes over two years. It was stupid, and the company was really not at fault. They didn't want to strike, but felt pressure to do so by the rest of the union. Ridiculous.

Unions are a waste, they're criminal and they are what HURTS thriving business. Laws alone should punish those who try and screw over employees for compensation etc.
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:17 PM
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You do not derserve to be able to abandon your post and expect it not to Cost you. And you dont deserve to Cheat tax payers into paying you because you have a gripe and think you shoud get more than the rest of Americas work force . And as for Unions they hurt America more each year by protecting poor workers from being fired for Fraud and theft..
Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:19 PM
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I DID NOT ABANDON MY POST, I AM ENTITLED TO AN ALOTTMENT OF SICK DAYS A YEAR AND I USED 1 OF THEM TO PROTEST.



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