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I have come to realize that ACLU stands for "Aetheists, Communists, and Liberals United".
I was previously under the impression it stood for "Anti-Christian Lawyers Union".
ACLU Panel Urges Impeachment Over NSA Spying
By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 21, 2006
(CNSNews.com) -- While White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asserting Monday that the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program was a vital tool in the war against terrorism, a panel assembled by the American Civil Liberties Union was arguing that President Bush should be impeached over the spying program.
"If the political alignment in the country were otherwise, impeachment would be a no-brainer," said Laurence H. Tribe, professor of constitutional law at Harvard University.
In December, the New York Times disclosed that President Bush had authorized the NSA to tap international telephone calls that included one party suspected of terrorist activity.
Since that time the program's legality has been debated, especially over whether the president violated the law when he authorized the interception of electronic communications without first obtaining permission from the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court.
Tribe added that wiretapping is not an inherent power of the presidency. "That free flowing inherent power is the very thing we fought a revolution against."
"It violates the basic rules of the road of how you operate," said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU. "No judge, at any level has signed a warrant for this."
John Dean, a former White House counsel during the Nixon administration, compared the Bush administration's wiretapping to the Watergate scandal. "[Bush] has made such a radical reading of his powers, not unlike Nixon. And those who have operated under his behalf have pursued that policy, so it could well end up where we were at the Nixon White House.
"There is no question in my mind that this president has already committed one or more impeachable offenses. This is pretty serious stuff. It's worse than Watergate."
But the Bush administration has aggressively defended the surveillance program.
"The terrorist surveillance program helps us to connect the dots and save lives and prevent attacks," said McClellan.
"I think most leaders understand that this is not only a necessary tool, but a vital tool in our efforts to disrupt plots and prevent attacks here at home. We will continue to listen to ideas from members of Congress and we will continue to work with them on legislation that would protect this vital program and address some of the issues that have been raised."
I was previously under the impression it stood for "Anti-Christian Lawyers Union".
ACLU Panel Urges Impeachment Over NSA Spying
By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 21, 2006
(CNSNews.com) -- While White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan was asserting Monday that the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program was a vital tool in the war against terrorism, a panel assembled by the American Civil Liberties Union was arguing that President Bush should be impeached over the spying program.
"If the political alignment in the country were otherwise, impeachment would be a no-brainer," said Laurence H. Tribe, professor of constitutional law at Harvard University.
In December, the New York Times disclosed that President Bush had authorized the NSA to tap international telephone calls that included one party suspected of terrorist activity.
Since that time the program's legality has been debated, especially over whether the president violated the law when he authorized the interception of electronic communications without first obtaining permission from the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Court.
Tribe added that wiretapping is not an inherent power of the presidency. "That free flowing inherent power is the very thing we fought a revolution against."
"It violates the basic rules of the road of how you operate," said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU. "No judge, at any level has signed a warrant for this."
John Dean, a former White House counsel during the Nixon administration, compared the Bush administration's wiretapping to the Watergate scandal. "[Bush] has made such a radical reading of his powers, not unlike Nixon. And those who have operated under his behalf have pursued that policy, so it could well end up where we were at the Nixon White House.
"There is no question in my mind that this president has already committed one or more impeachable offenses. This is pretty serious stuff. It's worse than Watergate."
But the Bush administration has aggressively defended the surveillance program.
"The terrorist surveillance program helps us to connect the dots and save lives and prevent attacks," said McClellan.
"I think most leaders understand that this is not only a necessary tool, but a vital tool in our efforts to disrupt plots and prevent attacks here at home. We will continue to listen to ideas from members of Congress and we will continue to work with them on legislation that would protect this vital program and address some of the issues that have been raised."
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The ACLU is one of the most destructive organizations ever for America. Here is something you can do about it:
http://www.grassfire.net/33/petition.asp
Here are a few more things about them:
http://www.grassfire.net/33/petition.asp
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=41751
http://www.stoptheaclu.org/
http://www.aclj.org/trialnotebook/read.aspx?id=68
There is lot more, but I don't want to overload you.
http://www.grassfire.net/33/petition.asp
Here are a few more things about them:
http://www.grassfire.net/33/petition.asp
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=41751
http://www.stoptheaclu.org/
http://www.aclj.org/trialnotebook/read.aspx?id=68
There is lot more, but I don't want to overload you.
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The ACLU would be one of the first organizations to stand up and B**** if another attack happened on this country. They would say that the president was at fault for not doing enough. You can't win with a organization like this...
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at least the morons are joining organizations and labeling themselves so we can avoid them easier
EDIT: I think we as a nation have reached the point where people are abusing there "freedom of speech" and whats with everybody blaming the president for everthing? Don't people know that we have a senate and a house and a judicial branch? He's not the only person allowed to make decisions. All some people know how to do is point out problems with no solutions in mind.
EDIT: I think we as a nation have reached the point where people are abusing there "freedom of speech" and whats with everybody blaming the president for everthing? Don't people know that we have a senate and a house and a judicial branch? He's not the only person allowed to make decisions. All some people know how to do is point out problems with no solutions in mind.
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The Founder of the ACLU was a disgruntled Communist that started the organization as a front to being Communism to America.
He sort of succeeded, at least in brining communism to a certain group of america.
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He sort of succeeded, at least in brining communism to a certain group of america.
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Well, I agree completely with their logic. I don't believe that Bush did anything that should get him impeached, but if the only way to destroy the country is to destroy our freedoms, then I'd rather be dead. Or officially dismantle the Constitution and let us start over later. None of this "slow erosion of the Constitution from the top" crap. Now the wire taps themselves are not that big of an infringement of freedom; nothing about privacy is stated in the Constitution, so if you want to call it unConstitutional, you have to believe that intent is there. (Which I do believe there is intent, as do most Americans.) And even if the wiretaps are Constitutional, which as the law states they grugdingly are perfectly legel, they still open up massive precedents for further removal of rights. People who accept government wiretaps without question, ask yourselves where your trust of the government ends in a serious (a la nuclear) terrorist attack. Would you accept the disbanding of assemblies in the form of Mosques? Would you accept the prevention of freedom of speech in the form of liberal editorials? Would you support the confiscation of fire arms, as was supported after Hurricane Katrina? The fall of the Constitution will come from the people accepting erosions of their rights, and whether the flag remains over the world or not, America as I call it will be destroyed at that point. If the flag is more important than the intent of the Constitution, then good for you; I support the latter far beyond the former.
And even while I only agree with the ACLU, like, this one time in history, you must respect all stances in America and find common compromise. That is the system advocated by the founding fathers; the rest of the Constitution fits around the system of compromise. If you don't listen to a group based solely on a difference of opinion, then you are far worse then any Communist-sympathizer trying to have Berkeley seceed from the Union could possibly be. You must repect (to a degree) and compromise with them. They want what's best for America, as do you and I.
And even while I only agree with the ACLU, like, this one time in history, you must respect all stances in America and find common compromise. That is the system advocated by the founding fathers; the rest of the Constitution fits around the system of compromise. If you don't listen to a group based solely on a difference of opinion, then you are far worse then any Communist-sympathizer trying to have Berkeley seceed from the Union could possibly be. You must repect (to a degree) and compromise with them. They want what's best for America, as do you and I.
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Originally Posted by Begle1
Well, I agree completely with their logic. I don't believe that Bush did anything that should get him impeached, but if the only way to destroy the country is to destroy our freedoms, then I'd rather be dead. Or officially dismantle the Constitution and let us start over later. None of this "slow erosion of the Constitution from the top" crap. Now the wire taps themselves are not that big of an infringement of freedom; nothing about privacy is stated in the Constitution, so if you want to call it unConstitutional, you have to believe that intent is there. (Which I do believe there is intent, as do most Americans.) And even if the wiretaps are Constitutional, which as the law states they grugdingly are perfectly legel, they still open up massive precedents for further removal of rights. People who accept government wiretaps without question, ask yourselves where your trust of the government ends in a serious (a la nuclear) terrorist attack. Would you accept the disbanding of assemblies in the form of Mosques? Would you accept the prevention of freedom of speech in the form of liberal editorials? Would you support the confiscation of fire arms, as was supported after Hurricane Katrina? The fall of the Constitution will come from the people accepting erosions of their rights, and whether the flag remains over the world or not, America as I call it will be destroyed at that point. If the flag is more important than the intent of the Constitution, then good for you; I support the latter far beyond the former.
And even while I only agree with the ACLU, like, this one time in history, you must respect all stances in America and find common compromise. That is the system advocated by the founding fathers; the rest of the Constitution fits around the system of compromise. If you don't listen to a group based solely on a difference of opinion, then you are far worse then any Communist-sympathizer trying to have Berkeley seceed from the Union could possibly be. You must repect (to a degree) and compromise with them. They want what's best for America, as do you and I.
And even while I only agree with the ACLU, like, this one time in history, you must respect all stances in America and find common compromise. That is the system advocated by the founding fathers; the rest of the Constitution fits around the system of compromise. If you don't listen to a group based solely on a difference of opinion, then you are far worse then any Communist-sympathizer trying to have Berkeley seceed from the Union could possibly be. You must repect (to a degree) and compromise with them. They want what's best for America, as do you and I.
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After reading this thread, I read some of the ACLU websites. On one, they were behind getting the Ten Commandments removed from a courthouse in Georgia bcause it offended some people. In another, they were behind getting a statue a a naked EVE put up in a Texas city because she was the first woman and that is how she was born. (naked). Too hell with the fact that affended some people. Is that double standards or what?? Sounds like a bunch of fruitcakes to me.
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Originally Posted by boiler-rat
After reading this thread, I read some of the ACLU websites. On one, they were behind getting the Ten Commandments removed from a courthouse in Georgia bcause it offended some people. In another, they were behind getting a statue a a naked EVE put up in a Texas city because she was the first woman and that is how she was born. (naked). Too hell with the fact that affended some people. Is that double standards or what?? Sounds like a bunch of fruitcakes to me.
oops, couple of typos there.
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Originally Posted by boiler-rat
After reading this thread, I read some of the ACLU websites. On one, they were behind getting the Ten Commandments removed from a courthouse in Georgia bcause it offended some people. In another, they were behind getting a statue a a naked EVE put up in a Texas city because she was the first woman and that is how she was born. (naked). Too hell with the fact that affended some people. Is that double standards or what?? Sounds like a bunch of fruitcakes to me.
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After reading these posts a couple of things are readily apparent. The Republican philosophy as exemplified by the state of Texas, Tom Delay et al, (and others - for the rednecks) is readily apparent. Be first in executions and last in education. Secondly, try to be sure this country is run by the Christian Taliban. I am really starting to think Abe Linclon didn't do such a good thing after all and this country should have split. The "Christian" redneck yahoo's in the South and the rest of us up North and in the far West.
First off, two orginizations I can't stand are the American ***** and PETA. The ACLU will defend people like that. What takes a little insight is to think who will defend you if you happen to have an unpopular stance or belief. I am sorry let this secret out, but this is NOT a "Christian" country. Belief in G o d and praying are NOT exclusive to Christians. Therefore, they don't have a right in this country to impose their will and beliefs on others, be it abortion, gay marriage or whatever.
Obviously (or maybe not) most of you are too young to remember Nixon and his enemies list. The power to turn the Federal Government against it's citizens can be a powerful thing and can destroy peoples lives. This administration has shown on numerous occasions it can't be trusted. Even in the latest fiasco over who is going to control six of our most important ports, the negotiations are "secret" and details can't be disclosed. These guys must think the nation is full of turnip trucks and we all just fell off.
Y'all can have video links in your bedroom so Bush and Pat Robertson can check in and be sure you are living a Christian lifestyle. For me, I'll keep them all out of my life.
First off, two orginizations I can't stand are the American ***** and PETA. The ACLU will defend people like that. What takes a little insight is to think who will defend you if you happen to have an unpopular stance or belief. I am sorry let this secret out, but this is NOT a "Christian" country. Belief in G o d and praying are NOT exclusive to Christians. Therefore, they don't have a right in this country to impose their will and beliefs on others, be it abortion, gay marriage or whatever.
Obviously (or maybe not) most of you are too young to remember Nixon and his enemies list. The power to turn the Federal Government against it's citizens can be a powerful thing and can destroy peoples lives. This administration has shown on numerous occasions it can't be trusted. Even in the latest fiasco over who is going to control six of our most important ports, the negotiations are "secret" and details can't be disclosed. These guys must think the nation is full of turnip trucks and we all just fell off.
Y'all can have video links in your bedroom so Bush and Pat Robertson can check in and be sure you are living a Christian lifestyle. For me, I'll keep them all out of my life.
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Originally Posted by russ300h
After reading these posts a couple of things are readily apparent. The Republican philosophy as exemplified by the state of Texas, Tom Delay et al, (and others - for the rednecks) is readily apparent. Be first in executions and last in education. Secondly, try to be sure this country is run by the Christian Taliban. I am really starting to think Abe Linclon didn't do such a good thing after all and this country should have split. The "Christian" redneck yahoo's in the South and the rest of us up North and in the far West.
First off, two orginizations I can't stand are the American ***** and PETA. The ACLU will defend people like that. What takes a little insight is to think who will defend you if you happen to have an unpopular stance or belief. I am sorry let this secret out, but this is NOT a "Christian" country. Belief in G o d and praying are NOT exclusive to Christians. Therefore, they don't have a right in this country to impose their will and beliefs on others, be it abortion, gay marriage or whatever.
Obviously (or maybe not) most of you are too young to remember Nixon and his enemies list. The power to turn the Federal Government against it's citizens can be a powerful thing and can destroy peoples lives. This administration has shown on numerous occasions it can't be trusted. Even in the latest fiasco over who is going to control six of our most important ports, the negotiations are "secret" and details can't be disclosed. These guys must think the nation is full of turnip trucks and we all just fell off.
Y'all can have video links in your bedroom so Bush and Pat Robertson can check in and be sure you are living a Christian lifestyle. For me, I'll keep them all out of my life.
First off, two orginizations I can't stand are the American ***** and PETA. The ACLU will defend people like that. What takes a little insight is to think who will defend you if you happen to have an unpopular stance or belief. I am sorry let this secret out, but this is NOT a "Christian" country. Belief in G o d and praying are NOT exclusive to Christians. Therefore, they don't have a right in this country to impose their will and beliefs on others, be it abortion, gay marriage or whatever.
Obviously (or maybe not) most of you are too young to remember Nixon and his enemies list. The power to turn the Federal Government against it's citizens can be a powerful thing and can destroy peoples lives. This administration has shown on numerous occasions it can't be trusted. Even in the latest fiasco over who is going to control six of our most important ports, the negotiations are "secret" and details can't be disclosed. These guys must think the nation is full of turnip trucks and we all just fell off.
Y'all can have video links in your bedroom so Bush and Pat Robertson can check in and be sure you are living a Christian lifestyle. For me, I'll keep them all out of my life.
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