John P.,
I don't need to dyno, but I would like to race Sunday.

 

Wayne 0930 sounds good. Is there gonna be anything going on Friday night? I am thinking of coming down Friday like last year. Maybe meet up at Hooters? John thanks for getting the safty loops. Do you plan on bringing both your trucks? I will call you soon. Tim

 

john we will have for sure 2 to dyno and race and perhaps as many as 5 for both.also feel free to email me for help on the trophys or to sponsor a trophy for a class,would be an honor,as far as classes go and break downs,it will be interesting to see how it is done.for instance,and i mean no offence to any one hear just my .02 a few years back when i had a dodge , the diesel mod scene and technology wasnt as far along as it is know.i remeber reading the the tdr magazine and twin turbos were treated very similar to nos and lp,at least as far as acknowlegdment in the mag went.now this was only 4 years ago,well alot has changed and the technology for the dodge as well as others has come a long long ways,but on the other side of the coin, the dmax has no reliable test proven injectors or turbos that have been released for purchase.the ford 7.3s are just starting to gain some ground with the new hpop technology.and the new psd 6.0s i dont ever see them catching up.i would hate to see the classes broken down into groups that wouldnt give all makes and models equal footing.me personally i dont see a big difference between twins and nos as far as power goes,dont get me wrong if twins were an option for the dmax i would be in but as of now it isnt.why not perhaps have classes that are as follows(just suggestions) 1 plug in play class,basically stock truck with plug in module or flash tuner. or just screws turned on the 12 valves no major engine or turbo up grades. 2 class for dialy driven street diesel with bigger single chargers injects tranny upgrades.exct.. 3 twins and diesels with one power adder such as lp or nos....4 all out any goes,jada rockets included.just suggestions for a start,once again my intent is not to start a fight or to anger people just giving on opinion.... hope to see you all there....jess

 

Well, looks like I am definately out now. My brand new four month old injector pump appears to be heading south. We're still working 80 hours a week trying to get this plant back on line and I do not have time to change it. I was hoping to run this 99 down the quarter to compare it to last year with all the work I had done but it is sitting in the car port near dead right now until I decide what to do with it. I've got the 92 sold already and the 99 may be going right behind it if I can ever get it running right again. I've got over $1600 in that truck this year and I'm about done with it all together.

Ya'll have a good time.

 

Joel
Sorry to hear about the bad luck. Don't do it. Don't get rid of that great looking truck. I would check on a warrinty (spelling) on the pump before I did anything. Good luck Buddy

King D
I read and reread your post. It was pretty good, I do not know enough about twins and Nos/other things being equal so I can not even go there.

If we have classes here is how I think they should go.
Stock
I mean bare bones stock no ez box no injectors NO anything except what the OEM put in it from the factory. If it smokes then we look for stuff. We pretty much know what truck will run as far as HP goes. I will have to go back to the FALL BRAWL and see how they evened the score for the older trucks with the less
stock HP.

Modified
Plug and plays OK
Injectors OK
ONE turbo OK

Modified w/Additional fuel sources
one turbo
Pump what ever you want into the engine.
Subject to a safty inspection.

Modified w/ Additional air sources.
Run what ever turbo combination you desire.
NO additional fuel source
Water injection is OK
Subject to a safty inspection.

Unlimited
Run what you brung and hope you brung enough.
Subject to a safty inspection.

that is my two cents worth.
Any thoughts?? John is working on the trophys, if we run it this way we will need 5 trophys

At the race track we will be bracket racing so you will be racing the clock. That means that me in my slow 16.5 truck may run against the fast truck of King D 11/12 sec truck. I will almost be at the end of the run before he will get the green light
This sounds like a great time.
Just remember this is all in good taste and fun
See Ya
Chris

 

Hello again
For the stock class
If you are running a different air intake system that is OK
Different exhaust OK
Crome radiator cap MAYBE OK
different tire/rim combo OK

This is going to be a great time
Hope to see old (young) friends and meet new friends young and old.
See Ya in a few weeks
Chris

 

As for the HOOTERS thing.
If folks would like to go there on Friday evening then I guess I can force myself to drive there for dinner or a evening snack on chicken wings of course.
Who and what time is good to meet at HOOTERS on Friday night.

I only go there because I really like the wings they serve.
My wife set the rules years ago I can look but not touch, and when I look I must not look like I am looking Ain't that right Honey.
Man I can sure dig a hole fast can't I
See Ya
Chris

 

Hey is there not a Dyno and Drag Race Event for Diesel trucks set in
Jacksonville NC for Dec,3 & 4

 

JRTUC
The event you are talking about is this one and it is on the 4th and 5th of Dec.
Hope to see you there.
See Ya
Chris

 

Tim:

You are welocome on the driveshaft hoops! And "Hooters"
sounds great to Johnner and I for Friday night.

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Joel:

Sorry to hear about your truck. I believe if you will just call
J.P. @ Scheid Diesel (1-800-669-1593) that he will be able
to help you out with that pump. It came from Scheid right?

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Jess:

Some of your ideas on the classes sound alright, but as
I said last year I disagree with you about the twins and
nitrous being the same. The reason for that???

With the nitrous systems you and Buck run, you guys can
just keep digging into your plastic bag of jets and adding
more and more gas as the runs go on, kind of like you did
last year. As the size of the jet goes up, so does the H.P.
and torque! The twin turbos on my truck or say Tim's truck
do add H.P. over a single charger, BUT,...........you cannot
ADD anymore H.P. by changing a jet!! You said there
is no twin turbo systems for the Duramaxes and that is
also incorrect. Clint Cannon had a very good set-up on
his up until he took it off last year. As I recall, he was
running the stock Chevy Duramax Turbo on top and had
a Holset HT3B on the bottom. I rode in the truck and it
ran darn good!! You are also wrong on the injectors for
the Duramaxes. Both ATS and Scheid Diesel can build you
a set of injectors for your trucks!! They are very expensive
though ($1200-$1500.00) and it is my understanding that
they should be set-up with no more than 15% fueling
over the stock nozzles although that may have changed
now. There is a white Chevy Duramax in Rockville, Ind.
with Scheid built injectors for and it is very, very quick!
I rode in it at the Scheid Rally and so did my son.
Here are their numbers if you or Buck are interested:

Scheid Diesel: 1-800-669-1593 (Talk to J.P.)
ATS Diesel: 1-800-949-6002 (Talk to Clint)

Hope this has helped you some.

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John_P

 

So,,,,,,,, does this mean there will be no seperate class for "1999 Intense Blue-2wd-with long-haired driver" class?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Bummer,,,,,

BTW John,
if you have a copy of the flyer for this event, send me the file when you get a chance. RATTLINRAM@juno.com

Thanks.

 

call clint yourself and ask if the twins are for sale,il save you the time they are not and also his set up was not practical to run in an every day work enviromesnt b/c the air cleaner is hanging down by the bumper ,i do use my truck to work on the farm,call clint and ask if his larger compressor single turbo is yet available,il save you the time they are not.as for the injectors they are exspensive,very much so however there are 2 issues to be addressed 1 most injectors of this kind even though they can be purchased all the bugs have not been ironed out,to many of them balance way out of wack.2 ther is no proof that has ever been provided that injectors give more hp than can be obtained through optimal programming. every one i know with injects, even the 15 overs have lost hp on diesel only.and only gained a small amount of hp when nitrous is used.also proper programming can over demand the stock oil pump and until somebody comes up with a way to turn this pump up more injects are a big waste of time.most damaxes with injects cant keep a decent rail pressure ie...desired doesnt keep up with commanded.which means the pump is catching it and it isnt good for it either .
as far as nos and twins being the same i never said they were i said that a few years ago people who ran twins were treated like people who ran drugs.and i dont hink it is fair for a twin compounded truck to be in the same class as a single chargered truck.as far as the jetting goes that is true we did continue to add air and fuel but a few of the 12 valvers truned some fuel up themselves.but fact is out of the gates with the first jet sizes we had the the top hp then just added a few more to see how high we could go.i dont know exactly how to make the classes even it was only a suggestion.
as a side point john i thought your truck was the nicest one there it occupies much more video space then any others followed pretty closely by tims.i look forward to the evnt and the offer on the trophy stil stands.hope ths helps

 

Jess:

I don't want to "debate" this much more here as it is
a thread for the N.C. Dyno and Drag Race. But,..........
it was my understanding Clint was going to try and
market his Duramax Twin Turbo set-up. Maybe the
issue of that filter location precluded that. In your
situation (farming, dusty conditions etc.) maybe
that would not work, but I am here to tell you his
truck ran good! FWIW, the BHAF Clint ran to the
bottom charger was just behind his transfer case
under the truck, not behind the bumper when I
saw it.

I never said "injectors give more H.P. than optimal
programming of fueling boxes." My point to you on
the injectors was to try and let you know they are
out there and of the Duramaxes I rode in that had
them they ran very well! It was Clint who told me
back in May of this year that in his testing he found
that the CR Dodges and Chevy Duramaxes did not
respond well to any injector over about 10-15%
above stock. This was through extensive dyno
testing in his ATS shop in Wheat Ridge of not only
the Duramax but also his gray 2004 Dodge CTD CR.

The common rail fuel systems on the 2004-2005
Dodge CTD CR Trucks and the 2004-2005 Chevy
Duramaxes are very similar Jess. The fuel systems
have to have a "pusher" pump like the Holley Blue
my son Johnner installed on his 2004 Dodge CTD CR.
The difference in pressures??? Without his Holley
Blue his fuel pressure was "0" at WOT with ONLY
the Edge EZ Box! WITH the Holley Blue AND a TST
PM 3 CR stacked with an Edge EZ he has 14-15lbs.
at WOT! We will be glad to show you how we
installed it if you are interested at the rally. However,
you still have the issues with the stock oil pump on
the Duramax which doesn't appear to be an issue
on the Dodge Cummins CR Engine.

The last point is again about the the issue of twin
turbos vs. single charger diesels. While I would
agree that it is unfair to run them "heads up"
H.P. to H.P. on #2 diesel ALONE, I feel that it
is also unfair to the twin charger trucks to have
to compete with a single charger PLUS nitrous
and propane like you run when you can stand
there with your plastic bag of jets and just keep
"ramping up" the H.P. with jet after jet of NOS and
more propane gas! Sorry, but that is how I feel
about it. No offense to you or your brother, just
my .02 cents! Lets see what the other members
think and we can decide from there. The classes
are a good idea though and seemed to work well
at "Fall Brawl."

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John_P

 

I am looking forward to seeing everyone again. I have video of your truck also Jess, first time I seen a Duramax actually put up numbers like that. Regardless of how we do the classes it will be fun. Maybe we will start seeing the fords compete also, at fall brawl I watched a 7.3 put out over 500 on diesel and 590 on n2o. Tim

 

john the turbos are not released,hoped to have one of clints for the dyno day but it sure doesnt look good.i have a pusher pump on my dmax as well but the pressure i was talking about was in mpas which is a measure of psi in the rails actual verses desired,programming alone can overload this even with a pusher installed.,,,in which a difference of several thousand psi can be seen.i also agree that double drugs is to much to put in the class with the the twin charger dodges,thats why i suggestd only running one power adder,nos which only adds air tot he mix not fuel.i think bottom line is is that we all are very competeive and we want the playing field to be level.i can agree to disagree it was just a suggestion on my behalf.you guys decide what you want to do and il be there on the 4th and roll with the whatever the masses decide, lets hope we can get close to all agreeing it will make the day much more enjoyable.....tim i cant wait to see the extra hp....see you all there ...til then