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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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Lightman, I would pay more (within reason) to support the cause, but it's around 100 miles to the nearest station that sells it. Not much I can do about that part of the situation.
Not like they're ever going to sell it for less than #2, no matter what the distribution is like?????!!!!
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 05:42 PM
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Pj, it's not likely at the current consumption level that it will be cheaper than #2, but that could change. For a while the government was paying all of the bio manufacturers a rebate per gallon, and it was cheap. Just two years ago I was buying b100 for $1.30/gal.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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What would be the expected problems with 20% filtered WVO?. I'm talking 5 gallons out of 27 gallons.

Interestingly, greasel supports WVO conversions on 3rd gens but not 2nd gens.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by catmandoo
well here in iowa it's cheaper then no.2 where i buy it.
I'm in Iowas too, can you tell me where you get your BD, and what you pay for it.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by Scotty


Apparently the soy based biodiesel has some problems with injectors when used in a blend over 5%.


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Can you give the source of this information.

Was this was on newer HPCR systems or older vehicles?
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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Biodiesel

It makes sense like....last year, maybe the year before.....
Cleaner burning.... money stays here at home, no additional carbon loading of the environment.... I mean, what else are you after?
Look at what percentage of diesel consumption Germany gets from biodiesel.....
We can, and should do what we can here at home....
Much rather spend my dollar helping a domestic farmer rather than export it.
Just my 2 cents.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Wouldn't we ALL like to be less if not totally NOT dependent on OPEC?
Seems as if we are just in the groove of seeing the prices rise and not really having much of a choice in the matter. I would buy BD just to do my part in supporting ANY soy farmer (or whatever) rather than supporting the Prince of Saudia Arabia and his 22kt. gold bath fixtures.
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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I just read that it costs $11/bbl to get crude from the Athabasca oil sands in Canada. There is enough there for 3 Saudi Arabia's.

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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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Get that Athabasca " Black Gold" flowin then...... Granted, it will still be adding to the carbon loading of the environment.... but at least the buck staying in NA rather than being exported.....
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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Childofthewind
Can you give the source of this information.

Was this was on newer HPCR systems or older vehicles?
I obtained the information from one of the profs at the University of Saskatchewan.
A company they have worked with as well as the government have the findings.
I am currently working on a presentation with them for this site with what they have learned.

The new Detroit buses they are testing on are the ones he mentioned that had encountered problems over 5%, such as less economy, less power.
They also mentioned several diesel reefer units sustained injector damage from running higher then 5% BD.

As soon as we can get this info together, I will have Lary here at DTR post it.
We all want info...and I will help get it.

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Old Apr 14, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by SpokaneRam
Get that Athabasca " Black Gold" flowin then...... Granted, it will still be adding to the carbon loading of the environment.... but at least the buck staying in NA rather than being exported.....
I think it WILL flow but it takes a while to build up the infrastructure to process it.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by edwinsmith
I just read that it costs $11/bbl to get crude from the Athabasca oil sands in Canada. There is enough there for 3 Saudi Arabia's.

Edwin
Thanks for pointing this out, I wasn't aware of this.

There may be a huge amount of oil there, but as far as recoverable oil it is estimated at 177 billion barrels. Saudi Arabia contains 261.9 billion barrels of proven oil reserves.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by njoverkill

Interestingly, greasel supports WVO conversions on 3rd gens but not 2nd gens.
They just don't support conversions on anything running a VP44 pump - 98.5+ 2nd gens. The 12v with a P7100 is OK to run veggie.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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Scotty I'm sorry but there is a study that says everything and anything - I believe your source is mistaken.. Almost all commercially sold ASTM spec biodiesel in North America is soy based. I ran 100% SME (soy methyl esters) in my VW tdi for 35,000 miles with zero problems, and have gone thru many tanks of 20% in my cummins. The mb has seen soy based b20 every single tank since 2001.
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Old Apr 15, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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How about they just make B.D available to all of us at REASONABLE prices, and we become less dependant on the middle east in the process?
The way you can increase production and get the prices down is to write your state government and tell them you'd like to see a certain percentage of BD required in all diesel. There are already nine states that have passed these laws but none have gone into effect yet.
For approximately every 2% BD required in all US diesel it eliminates one billion gallons of raghead oil per year.
Plus it will guarantee that all diesel has plenty of lubricity when ultra low sulfur diesel is required in 2007.

It's also a good way to weed out the politicians who don't give a crap about the people who they represent if they vote against it. There is absolutely no reason for them to vote against it unless big oil is in their pocket or they're playing political party games that don't benefit the people.
The governor of Montana had a few alternative energy bills like the requiring BD and ethanol that the state Republicans said they weren't going to support, their real reason was because they didn't want to see laws passed that gave the Demos credit for helping the state. Afraid they would be voted out of power if that happened.
As soon as the governor said he was going personally campaign against the politicians in their own districts and let their constituents know if they didn't support bills that benefit the people of the state you should have seen the turn around, almost 100% support on all alternative energy bills.
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