toyota has yet to build a full size truck that has even a little bit of the reliability of there older small trucks. (Maybe this new one will be the one they have been trying for. As for the truck purring like a kitten, I want a truck that roars like a lion!

toyota are good vehicles, but they are nowhere near great. In 2006 toyota had more then 5,000,000 vehicles recalled, and this doesn't even include the class action law suit they quietly settled for engine failures on more then 7,000,000 vehicles. (I think it was 7.8 million.)

I have driven 4 GM trucks, and one Ford to well over 200,000 miles each, (And they were all in very good running condition when I sold/traded each of them. And a couple of them looked as good as new.) so toyota, and Honda doesn't have the market cornered on long lasting vehicles.

 

They will have the market cornered on RESALE value though.

 

I agree, front end, and headlights resemble DODGE a lot.

If you would consider buying that toy,give me a pm, Ive got some swamp land for sale too Rooster

 

If they put a diesel in it what would it be called? A baby Diapermax.

 

Not sure if it's on the online version of Automobile Magazine or not, but the print version for Feburary has an article by Robert Cumberford in regard to the new Tundra's body design. The title of the article is: "Does it really matter that it's ugly...?" And he proceeds to shread the interior and exterior of the truck.

I'm not one to just rip apart a manufacturer's products unless there is a proven problem with it. However Toyota's recent efforts, especially the Tacoma (Which I used to really like when it was a small truck) the Camary, and now the Tundra have just gotten horrendous. Yet people still buy them by the millions! Sorry Begle1, but if the Pacer had ben built to Toyota-spec quality in the '70's, it would have been a best seller.

That issue also tests 5 new midsize 4 & 6-cylinder sedans (including the Camary) verses the 4-cylinder Accord. The Toyota placed 5th out of 6.

 

"mini truck"...I doubt it. I just compared the specs of the Tundra doublecab to the Ram quadcab, both shortbox, and the Tundra was longer,wider, and taller...not to mention a longer and deeper box. Also their interior room was almost identical. If they made this in a 2500/3500 it would be a huge truck.

 

Hmm, 381hp and 20 mpg from a gasser in a package bigger than the current Ram.

Too bad I need at least a 3/4 ton for my next truck.

 

I don't like it at all.

 

I think the only thing that is slowing up Toyota coming to the US with a diesel is the EPA and the fact they want to get it right the first time. I read some place they own Yanmar and they sell alot of trucks in Asia and Europe with diesels in them. Toyota is looking at building another 5 plants in the USA.

 

Toyota never does it for me in the stlying or comfort but they are working on a pickup built on locamotive technology and capable of towing 17,000 lbs. In bet it's a few yrs out yet. I love my dodge.

 

The thing that really cracks me up about this, is that everyone is saying "It's not a Diesel, I need my Diesel. It's not a 3/4 ton or a 1 ton dually!" Guys, this truck is not even being marketed, nor was it designed to compete with our trucks. Period. This is a heavy duty 1/2 ton pickup. It's designed to compete with all the other 1/2 ton rigs out there, and I've got to say that I think Toyota has done a good job here to up the bar IN THAT MARKET. You know, if you have a family, and like to camp and fish, maybe you have a boat that needs a goodsize engine to tow it with, but you don't tow heavy and all the things that we do, then this truck would be great in that application. Nobody is saying that this truck will replace our Diesels. Give them a break here, these trucks have more American parts and labor used in the design and assembly than Dodge has had in probably 15 to 20 years. My hat is off to Toyota on this one gentleman. Will I buy one, no. But you have to respect the effort here.

 

Don't be fooled by all the hype. The 20 mpg is highway max with the regular cab short bed 2 wheel drive.
One of the mags tested the crewmax with the 5.5' bed (Only bed availible) 4x4 towing 7,000# and averaged less then 10 mpg.

 

I don't know about the new ones, but the Tundras that I've been around aren't much more spacious than a 4wd Dakota (inside and out).

 

this is diesel related how?

gasoline V8, 4' bed, can't believe we are even having this discussion, that 'aint a truck

 

As previously stated, a gm or ford with 200+kmi will not have anywhere near the resale value of a Toyota or Honda with equal milage. I would never, ever think of buying a ford or Gm with anywhere near 200kmi on it. OTOH, i would seriously consider a honda or toyota product with that kind of milage.

In my personal life, i have only seen a handful of GMs with over 200kmi, and these were all meticulously fleet maintained. A friend of mine had a GM 3.8l in a boneville that went to almost 200kmi before having multiple problems that were uneconomical to fix. I have never personally seen or heard of a ford with over 150kmi on it, that one having 148kmi, and its my escort truck at work that sees tons of highway miles, and has required numerous extensive repairs. However, i know tons of people with over 200kim on their hondas or toyotas. My sister had a camry with almost 300kmi before totaling it, and i considered buying the car back from insurance to put the 3.0l in my '84 toyota truck. My father has had several hondas run to well over 200kim before trading them and getting good $$ for them. My buddy now has a '92 accord that has 280+kmi, and sees NO maintenance and still runs good enough to go 60 miles each day to work.

In my personal opinion, foreign build quality is better than american build quality. Dont get me wrong, i love my dodge trucks, and have three at the current time. The older trucks, 80s-early 90s, are the toughest trucks out there. I also own a '84 toyota pickup that is sitting in the garage waiting to be used for something, but i would guess that will provide years of service with minimal repairs.

As for the new toyota being a "mini truck", i read that when toyota went around to prepare their dealerships for the arrival of the fullsize, they came with a F250 superduty to be sure they could fit through doors, on lifts and jacks, etc.

Also, again, as previously stated, the new fullsize toy is not meant to compete with a 250 or 350 dodge diesel. I would not expect it to be able to pull what my 250 can, or what someones '06 3500 can. But i bet it could run circles around any f150 or chevy 1500, and i would also seriously consider one if i was in the market for a 1/2 ton gas truck