We are allowed to run fuel additives in our 'On-The-Road' vehicles.
Sooooo, up to 50% Bio, WVO, WMO could still be considered a diesel fuel additive right?

 

http://www.stagecoachgroup.com/scg/m...06/2006-02-21/


Not sure if this is the right thread...but here goes.....If the link above works..its about a company testing bio-diesel........interesting read....they are also using an additive.."envirox".....costs about $7000 for a 205 liter drum....thing is.........They gotta pay duty on the bio & the additive........

Making the world a greener place..!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is not in the correct place...i apologise...

 

In California and several northeastern states it's already illegal to run waste motor oil no matter what percentage it is.
There goes the it's just an additive theory.

 

If it's strained, and filtered, it's no longer "waste", now it's a home-made lubricity additive.

Just playing Devil's Advocate......

 

Off road fuel is State tax free, not federal.

 

I have a transfer tank in the back and my girlfriend borrowed the rig.. Yeap she got pulled over and they dipped both tanks.. They were giving her a hard time about the red in the transfer but she said they didn't say anything about the main tank.. She didn't remember or more likely probably did'nt pay attention if they did dip the main or not.. By the way I run red in both tanks all summer long...

 

I still don't see how this is legal. Either we have a 4th ammendment right or we don't. What happens if a driver refuses when the cops ask to dip his tank? Why is a fuel tank any different than the rest of the vehicle? They must have probable cause to search your vehicle and if they have to ask then they don't have probable cause. Just say "NO! I don't consent to any searches."

Edwin

 

Man you run red? The only thing you are runnin is the risk of a huge fine. Your Girlfriend got lucky. I think that they fine you by how much red you have. But she got lucky.

 

I'd bet if you don't want to let them dip, it's because you are running red. An honest man has nothing to hide. If you won't let them dip, there is their probable cause...

 

I have been wanting to ask this for while. How does the dipping work? I have a transfer tank in the bed of my truck. I use it to fill my 4020 of which I don't fill very often. When it is empty after being filled with "red" farm diesel, if I put road diesel in it and then fill my truck, will the very small percentage of red diesel show up if they dip me? Are they reading ppm of die or something? Can someone tell me anything about that? My truck is farm tagged, but you can't run red diesel in OK even with a farm tag. I personally know of a gentlemen that got fined almost $20,000 becuase they dipped his flatbed at a cattle sale and then followed him home and dipped his other trucks. It was not pretty. True story. My tank holds about 45 gallons.

 

A mere desire to not have ones posessions violated is NOT probable cause.

Edwin

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that the "sulfur" content had a major part in lubricating the injector pump (VP44)!

If this is correct, it seems to me that the multitude of diesel engines could possibly have addt'l. repair bills unless some type of additive is used.

 

Sulfur by and itself is not a lubricant. The process of refining the diesel to low sulfur also removes the lubricating oils in laymans terms. So yes I do and recommend that every diesel owner now add their own lubricity additive and not count on service stations or should I say fuel suppliers to do so.

 

I should have been a little clearer... I was posting what I bet they would use as justifiation they would use. Not that I agree with it...

 

In a few states it has been deemed an unconstitutional illegal search to dip any non-commercial vehicle without the owner's permission. These states have quit dipping non-commercial vehicles. When you become commercial you sign your rights away.
Montana recently became one of these states due to a lawsuit, they need probable cause or your consent to dip now. Probable cause most often is seeing you fill up with red.
I am 100% certain that if someone had the the time and money to take it to the US Supreme Court that dipping would be outlawed nationwide.