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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by displacedtexan
But he can't measure the exact blends that went into it. And Diesel can vary as to it's spefic gravity.

But I agree with XLR8R, if it will extinguish a match, it should be fine. Dump some PS in it if you are woried, for a little bonus lubricity.

And maybe shop for a new supplier
Sorry, but that was a very ignorant post. He didn't buy this diesel. You need to read what he said and what I said. Everything I said is correct and he can measure what I told him to. I didn't say anything about specific gravity.

The question here is not whether he can use the diesel or not. The question is how to find how much gas (a percent, for example) is in the fuel. I have already given the answer.
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Old Dec 1, 2006 | 03:48 AM
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I know that flash point is a definitive measure of gasoline contamination. A low flash point is definately testable. send me a sample. diesel fuel usually has a flash point between 140 and 155. anything lower than 140 indicates gasoline contamination.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by XLR8R
Take ShovelHead's numbers for the fuels' specific gravity and plug them into Drolex's equation, along with your empirical measurement of the mixture in question... please report the results of your homework in the morning.

BTW - even straight unleaded won't necessarily hurt a diesel, since the fuel is not injected until combustion is needed. The obverse (#2 in a gasser) is far worse due to diesel's relatively low octane, causing preignition and detonation.

If your test sample won't ignite with an open flame, I don't see how it could have damaged the injectors.

The problem is not that the fuel wil or will not burn but that the nozzle tips blew off. This can happen because of the different molecular size of diesel versus gasoline. Some of the nozzles in the high HP engines now use really small (Measured in microns) orifices for extra fine atomization of fuel for combustion. Gasoline can be too big to fit through the orifices and at the extream injection pressures used the nozzle tips blow off and things get ugly.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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I know - I was inferring that if the test fuel won't ignite with an open flame, there's not enough gasoline blended in to damage the injector tips.

On the common rail engines, the fuel molecules flow through the injector nozzles at Mach numbers...
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by drolex
Sorry, do not use Shovelhead's posted numbers. Those are not the needed numbers. Anyway, this calculation will be more accurate if you measure the desities of the pure forms of the diesel and gas that actually went into this mixture.
Actually, you should be able to use Shovelhead's numbers as those are the densities and not the specific gravity values.

The catch to using those numbes is that when you test the density of your mixture, you'll need to make sure that your sample temperature is also at 60F (15.5C), otherwise it will throw your calculations off.

And since it is a range specified for diesel, you can calcuate once for the low value and again for the high value to give yourself a percentage range for your sample.

Otherwise, if you have access to clean samples of gasoline and diesel, you can stabilize the temperature of all three samples then do the measurements. You won't be exact on the percentage since you don't have a sample of the exact diesel used in your blended sample, but you should get close.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead
Specific Gravity of liquids:
Gasoline, Vehicle .....60 F......... 737.22
Diesel fuel oil ..........15 C .........820 - 950
Maybe, but he didn't say what the units were. We need to know the units and convert all measurements to the same units.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by drolex
Maybe, but he didn't say what the units were. We need to know the units and convert all measurements to the same units.
I knew I forgot something I wanted to put in that post.

The density values are:

Diesel fuel oil - 15C - 820-950 kg/cu.m
Gasoline - 60F - 737.22 kg/cu.m

So as drolex said, you'll need to take your measurements in the same units or convert these to the values you're using.
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