well that is strait from the horses mouth, but i can assure you that the infomation i provided is 100% truthfull.

 

IH making good trucks and motors, Thats funny! Kinda like they use to make "good" farm tractors. Maybe thats why that part is not around anymore.

 

I read they are getting close to bankruptcy.

 

It's real easy to scrutinize from a distance...whose to say there were no "shortcomings" with the 5.9? whose to say there wont be any "shortcomings" with the new 6.7? there are 2 reasons the 6.4's are getting so much attention...Twin turbo's and how much of a "stinker" the 6.0 was. if its half as bad as you Cummins Cult folks make it out to be, you better pack you your I6's and run for the hills. Cause that thing is gonna be a beast. Ford's talking 42lbs of boost rollin' out of the twins. Cummins has yet to produce a motor to step this high, nor has Dodge been able to make a transmission to harness it. Also if V8's fall so shy of the I6's, why have there been very deep talks of Cummins' soon to be new V6 & V8 line of motors? Just some things to think about before you come on some website and talk so much trash about something you've never seen before.

 

deezl,

I'm not about to "run for the hills" just because some other truck may have more power . Who cares?

I like the I6 design because I can actually find the parts under the hood and get to them. It has far fewer parts. And it has such good low end power.

I'm not about to declare the 6.4 to be terrible because of something I don't know, such as long term durability, etc. I just don't like the complicated design or the philosophy of the manufacturer. And if one passes me on the highway, fine. That doesn't mean I have to go get one.

Wetspirit

 

There have been hundreds of times as many bought-back 6.0 liters as bought-back 5.9 liters, and there have been over a hundred more TSB's for the 6.0 than the 5.9, and the 5.9 has been in trucks for five times as long. Statistically it is painfully clear that the 5.9 has never had anywhere near the issues that the 6.0 has had. And it didn't clearly outperform the 5.9 either, especially towing. It may have had better numbers, but that low-band torque is golden.

A 6.4 liter with twin turbos should be incredibly powerful; I hope for Ford's sake and the sake of the Diesel community in general that they don't screw it up. But, the 6.0 was a debacle, so given Ford's track record, people on this side of the tracks don't really give them the benefit of the doubt.

We're loyal to our Cummins' because Cummins are the fastest, most reliable and most powerful Diesel engines in North America. But, we're not as loyal as the Ford Powerstroke guys on their 3rd buyback.

 

Yep. Well said. Especially the "3rd buyback" comment.

Wetspirit

 

I really hope the Ford 6.4 does well. Competition is good for all consumers. I drive a 2006, F-250 company truck over 100 miles a day, 5+ days a week since Aug. 05. At just over 3K on the odometer it died on me going down I-30, in the middle of a construction zone with no shoulder at 4PM on a Friday. Lucky for me it coasted really good and I made it to an exit, so at least I was able to get it off the highway. Waiting for Fords roadside assistance to tow my brand new company truck was not exactly how I had planned to spend my Friday evening. It was in the shop almost 2 weeks that time. An injector had broke in half, which caused a loss of rail pressure to the other 7, and it would not run at all. The turbo went out at 19K, not to mention a few other problems prior to that. I have 40K on it now and it been doing ok since the turbo, but the 2006 models were suppose to "have the bugs worked out". I really do hope the 6.4's are better.

 

Why did ford ever get rid of the proven decent 7.3 to start with? You can't tell me a simple head, piston, injection system and cam redesign could have made it comply with even tier 3 emmissions or what ever the newest ones are. Stupid move in the first place. I hope the 6.4 is as big a piece of junk as the 6.0 is, I can't see how it can be any better. Probably still using 4 headbolts per cylinder instead of 5 or 6, anti-freeze puking junk. Maybe they will fix some of the oil leaks as thats harder for the poor soul of an owner to clean oil off the driveway. Thank goodness Dodge has some brains in their head and simply redesigned a proven excellent engine.

jed

 

Well, there's no denying that electronics can work very well for Diesels. The 6.0 isn't the best example as it's marred by a bad reputation, but if you look at all of the Duramaxes and HPCR Cummins that can pull down over 400 horsepower with nothing but a plug-in; you have to be impressed that.

Furthermore, twin turbos from the factory would be sweet. I can't think of any twin turbo system, especially one with computer-controlled wastegates and turbo geometry, that wouldn't support 450-500 horsepower in stock configuration. Duramaxes can make near 500 on a stock water-cooled turbo; now Ford wants to have TWO? The performance possible makes me getty. These new trucks can do things stock that are borderline unbelievable, and the aftermarket support for them is still advancing.

All of that said, I'm skeptical of Ford's ability to do this. I would trust Isuzu's engineers at this point, but I'm scared of Ford's.

 

Ford and durability in the same sentence is an oxymoron when it comes to their diesels. I'm on the fifth company supplied truck since they came out in 2003 with the 6.0 L's. For the most part the truck is good, but I have nothing to good say about the diesels (even had a 7.3). I do get to test them in the most gosh darn places in the world as well.

 

I'd have to believe you there; I for one can't think of a place any more gosh darn than Edmonton. Describes the place perfectly.

 

It describes some of the drivers around here to a "T" - oh wait - they're not driving - just going - to places they don't even know.

Begle, you saying you've been up here?

I'm talking testing in the Alberta / northern BC oilfield - from bumper pushing mud to the mountains.

 

Watch out, or everything around here might start being described as gosh darn. I think I'm stuck on it already. Gosh darn it!

Wetspirit

 

The V6/V8 Cummins are going into Light Duty 1500 and Durango trucks where the original V8 diesels started (6.2/6.5) They at least realize that as being a reasonable use for the V design.

Twins to get only 42 psi? I can get that on a single easy. oh, and to spout off about the new 6.7L Cummins ratings is just being the black kettle.. The industrial ratings for the 6.7 are 310HP and 750 ft-lbs out of the box, first year.

Talk about not having all the info..