Cummins/Dodge contract question
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My understanding is this: Ford has bought a controlling interesting in Cummins and wanted to get out of the deal whereby they supply engines to a competitor. Dodge also thought about getting out of it, because they can supply German diesels cheaper per unit, since they are produced in house, so to speak. The problem was cost of parts, support, etc. So Dodge (Daimler) decided to stick with Cummins. Ford decided that cash from a competitor is still cash, so they stuck to the deal. Plus, the Ford PS is really a Navistar, which is also owner by Ford. Ford also debated about dropping the PS and going with Cummins after they purchased the company, but had too much money in the PS to do that.
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Ford has never owned anything closely resembling a controling interest in Cummins.
As I recall, many years ago at the most they had less than a 10% interest in the company.
Go to www.yahoo.com
type in Ford owns Cummins.
Now pack a lunch and sit in a real comfortable chair before clicking search.
As I recall, many years ago at the most they had less than a 10% interest in the company.
Go to www.yahoo.com
type in Ford owns Cummins.
Now pack a lunch and sit in a real comfortable chair before clicking search.
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I think alot of these rumors would come to an end if the people that want to know actually took the time to read Jacks response in this thread and look at the FAQ section of the Cummins page which explains that Ford DOES NOT own Cummins, instead of going by info passed on by some cousins brother in law who has it on good word from his unknowing dealer at the sales lot .
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/p...0880C4A8F00000
http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/p...0880C4A8F00000
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Originally posted by Yamadad
My understanding is this: Ford has bought a controlling interesting in Cummins and wanted to get out of the deal whereby they supply engines to a competitor. Dodge also thought about getting out of it, because they can supply German diesels cheaper per unit, since they are produced in house, so to speak. The problem was cost of parts, support, etc. So Dodge (Daimler) decided to stick with Cummins. Ford decided that cash from a competitor is still cash, so they stuck to the deal. Plus, the Ford PS is really a Navistar, which is also owner by Ford. Ford also debated about dropping the PS and going with Cummins after they purchased the company, but had too much money in the PS to do that.
My understanding is this: Ford has bought a controlling interesting in Cummins and wanted to get out of the deal whereby they supply engines to a competitor. Dodge also thought about getting out of it, because they can supply German diesels cheaper per unit, since they are produced in house, so to speak. The problem was cost of parts, support, etc. So Dodge (Daimler) decided to stick with Cummins. Ford decided that cash from a competitor is still cash, so they stuck to the deal. Plus, the Ford PS is really a Navistar, which is also owner by Ford. Ford also debated about dropping the PS and going with Cummins after they purchased the company, but had too much money in the PS to do that.
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Originally posted by Yamadad
My understanding is this: Ford has bought a controlling interesting in Cummins and wanted to get out of the deal whereby they supply engines to a competitor. Dodge also thought about getting out of it, because they can supply German diesels cheaper per unit, since they are produced in house, so to speak. The problem was cost of parts, support, etc. So Dodge (Daimler) decided to stick with Cummins. Ford decided that cash from a competitor is still cash, so they stuck to the deal. Plus, the Ford PS is really a Navistar, which is also owner by Ford. Ford also debated about dropping the PS and going with Cummins after they purchased the company, but had too much money in the PS to do that.
My understanding is this: Ford has bought a controlling interesting in Cummins and wanted to get out of the deal whereby they supply engines to a competitor. Dodge also thought about getting out of it, because they can supply German diesels cheaper per unit, since they are produced in house, so to speak. The problem was cost of parts, support, etc. So Dodge (Daimler) decided to stick with Cummins. Ford decided that cash from a competitor is still cash, so they stuck to the deal. Plus, the Ford PS is really a Navistar, which is also owner by Ford. Ford also debated about dropping the PS and going with Cummins after they purchased the company, but had too much money in the PS to do that.
b) DC owns Detroit Diesel + makes Mercedes diesels.
c) F**d doesn't own Navistar. They may own some stock, but the controlling shareholder is NIC.
If F**d had the best selling pickup on the market, why did they change it? And, if Navistar had the best selling 7.3 diesel (their claim), why did they forsake it for the un-proven 6.0?
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Originally posted by induchman
If F**d had the best selling pickup on the market, why did they change it? And, if Navistar had the best selling 7.3 diesel (their claim), why did they forsake it for the un-proven 6.0?
If F**d had the best selling pickup on the market, why did they change it? And, if Navistar had the best selling 7.3 diesel (their claim), why did they forsake it for the un-proven 6.0?
All of the automakers really have no choice but to build a new engine, or update their current engines to meet federal emissions laws. I think that's the real reason why the 6.0 came out. It's amazing to me how many problems its had. My brother bought an '03 and Ford bought it back because they couldn't fix it. Then, he got an '04 and it's surging. They can't fix that one either but I doubt they're going to buy it back. I told him to buy Dodge the first time and he said he didn't like Dodge. Well, they may not look good to him, but at least mine can make it from point to point.
Funny thing is that they're replacing the 6.0 in 2005. Wow, that didn't last long.
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Originally posted by Jack Thorpe
One word: Emissions
All of the automakers really have no choice but to build a new engine, or update their current engines to meet federal emissions laws. I think that's the real reason why the 6.0 came out. It's amazing to me how many problems its had. My brother bought an '03 and Ford bought it back because they couldn't fix it. Then, he got an '04 and it's surging. They can't fix that one either but I doubt they're going to buy it back. I told him to buy Dodge the first time and he said he didn't like Dodge. Well, they may not look good to him, but at least mine can make it from point to point.
Funny thing is that they're replacing the 6.0 in 2005. Wow, that didn't last long.
One word: Emissions
All of the automakers really have no choice but to build a new engine, or update their current engines to meet federal emissions laws. I think that's the real reason why the 6.0 came out. It's amazing to me how many problems its had. My brother bought an '03 and Ford bought it back because they couldn't fix it. Then, he got an '04 and it's surging. They can't fix that one either but I doubt they're going to buy it back. I told him to buy Dodge the first time and he said he didn't like Dodge. Well, they may not look good to him, but at least mine can make it from point to point.
Funny thing is that they're replacing the 6.0 in 2005. Wow, that didn't last long.
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Heres what id love to let them in on. If they wanan claim to own the engine fine, but, Diamler owns Frieghtliner, which owns Sterling trucks whichs owns, you guess it, FORD. Thats why all the sterlins ya see have the ford interior and so forth
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Originally posted by spots
Do you know what they are replacing it with?? Where did you hear this??
Do you know what they are replacing it with?? Where did you hear this??
Don't tell anyone.
Here's a pic of the Ford truck replacement engine undergoing testing in a secret Ford test track.
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Re: To Get a good smirk
Originally posted by kingofdodge7131
Heres what id love to let them in on. If they wanan claim to own the engine fine, but, Diamler owns Frieghtliner, which owns Sterling trucks whichs owns, you guess it, FORD. Thats why all the sterlins ya see have the ford interior and so forth
Heres what id love to let them in on. If they wanan claim to own the engine fine, but, Diamler owns Frieghtliner, which owns Sterling trucks whichs owns, you guess it, FORD. Thats why all the sterlins ya see have the ford interior and so forth
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Originally posted by Shovelhead
Shhhhhhh!
Don't tell anyone.
Here's a pic of the Ford truck replacement engine undergoing testing in a secret Ford test track.
Shhhhhhh!
Don't tell anyone.
Here's a pic of the Ford truck replacement engine undergoing testing in a secret Ford test track.
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Re: Re: To Get a good smirk
Originally posted by Monty
No sir, Ford owned the Sterling line of trucks which replaced the L series Ford lineup. Ford was wanting to get out of the class 8 business and did so by selling Sterling to Freightliner. Ford DOES NOT own Sterling anymore. New Sterlings have there own Sterling logo.
No sir, Ford owned the Sterling line of trucks which replaced the L series Ford lineup. Ford was wanting to get out of the class 8 business and did so by selling Sterling to Freightliner. Ford DOES NOT own Sterling anymore. New Sterlings have there own Sterling logo.
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