Kinda...it was actually what they called a Series 40 Detroit, a Roger Penske IH hybrid. DT466 block, with a redesigned head! A really good engine, we don't have to work on much other than injection pumps...which is a Bosch problem!

Chris

 

New Holland and Buhler both also run Cummins engines in many models.

 

in the mid 90's AGCO used the before mentioned IH/Navistar DT466 and DT530's in some of their 9600 series tractor I think. But I know from 1998-1999 AGCO used Navistar/IH 530ci engines in their 9755,9765,9775,and 9785 a Cummins 505 came later.

A little off topic
In the 1980's Cummins Engine Co, and JI Case Corp entered into a joint venture to assemble engines under the name Consolidated Diesel Co. in Whitakers, NC 10 miles north of Rocky Mount, NC. This partnership is ongoing to this day. When Tenneco bought IH Ag Division in 1984 and merged it with their JI Case subsidiary to help make it a full line Ag company the Red paint stayed on the tractors but they were all JI Case's with CDC's 504's/505's. The tractors were previously painted white, same design just new colors and called Case International/Case IH. In 1987 when JI Case introduced the 7100 series Magnum which had a 505 CDC and mostly JI Case components from the cab forward, mated with an IH cab that was in developement and mostly IH rearend parts. In 1985 at the time of the merger the rest of the farm equipment was IH and ran IH or the newly renamed company Navistar engines until about 1988. Around that year the Combines were slowly refitted to be assembled with CDC engines. So from 1988 on anything with about 85hp or so had CDC or Cummins. That stayed true until the Case Corp NewHolland merger and from then on some NewHolland engines were used in CaseIH equipment, namely the MXM Maxxum series. But for 2006 the MXM series is being phased out and the Puma series will take its place harboring a 6.7 CDC (QSB), similar to the 6.7 D/C (ISB).

 

9635-9655-9675-9695-9815, AND 9435-9455 Agco Allis tractors all sed Series 40 Detroit Engines...nat exactly IH/Navistar, but also not exactly a Detroit...but they were called Detroit! The "35" and "55's" used a DT466 variant, and the 9675-9695-9815 used the DT530 Variant!

In 1997-1999 the Agco Allis 9700 Series (9755-9765-9775-9785) used the Navistar DT530 engines. HEUI Injected, overcomplicated engine that we (Agco Dealers)couldn't service because Navistar wouldn't train us/give us the software! They are fin until you have trouble, then it's a pain. IH won't work on it since's it's in a tractor, and AGCO doesn't have the capability to do much more than diagnose the problem. If it's electrical, we can't fix it...have to deal with IH/Navistar

In 2000, we went to the C8.3 Cummins...we still can't work on them under Warranty, but at least they were non computer engines. P pumps are pretty easy to keep running

Chris

 

Sounds about right.

 

Signature 600, whats your opinion on the new motor developed for the gleaner. My father has worked at an Agco dealership for 30 years and the tech training they had on the new motor they said their engine had a 30% failure rate. They didn't actually say it, they threw around numbers and he equated it to that rate. He is doesn't want to see the Cummins go.

PS Glad to see that someone else here bleeds orange to

 

Can't wait to get those part numbers. Also will the price from a Agco dealer be comparable to other vendors? or will it cost more from them just like the dodge dealers?

Thanks

 

I don't know where he got those numbers, or what person told him that....I wanna find out though!

I'd say the failure rate is something A LOT lower...I don't know the numbers myself, but a figure I heard is maybe 1%...Which means of the 27K SisuDiesel engines built each year 270 have a major failure. I'd even guess the number is lower than that. There just aren't any major failures with the new AGCO engine! Even if there are, at least now I can work on the whole thing. With Cummins, we have to rely on them to fix the engine, and Cummins service in this area SUCKS!!

To date, since AGCO gave us these engines, we've probably got about 30-35 machines out running them! Most are the 8.4L Engine, which is the heaviest one they build! Short of an 1 ECM problem, or a water pump (that hadn't been greased), we have not had an engine problem. I also have a 2000 model Massey Ferguson 8270 (200pto, 245eng HP) with 9385hrs on it...no engine work short of a couple leaky valve covers! These engine are tough!

I was over in Finland at the factory last July...the component's go from castings to finished by robots, and all engines except the 8.4L are assembled into short blocks completely by robots to ensure quality! From short block to completed engine is done by 1 person, and their name is on the serial # tag...if that engine has a failure that is traced back to them, it's their problem! The 8.4L engine are assembled comletly by 1 person! They aim for quality!

While I was there, I got too see one of the Valtra pulling tractors that run the European circuit...they use the 7.4L engine as their base, and at 2500HP and 5500RPM they still use the factory crank, rods, and pistons. Those three tractors have won 1st, 2nd, and 3rd the last three years IIRC!

Basically, I like the engine...can you tell
Chris

 

CRAP!! Forgot to get them before I left the store...I'll get them in the morning for ya!! I'll also get you the pricing we use for them while I'm at it

Price is reasonable...but you may still be able to get the somewhere else cheaper! For me, they're cheap and in stock

Chris

 

Thats alright Sig600. My dad was wondering what dealership you work at down around Jeffersonville. Is it Mayer(thats all he could think of)? Does your dealership have the big Agco display at the farm science review?

 

That's us. AGCO Corp has the display, but we had about 25 units on the lot for that display! Us dealers work together to fill the lot to help save AGCO freight to and from that show!

Who's your closest dealer?? Maibach? or is Willard closer to Whitmer's?? Can't remember exactly

Chris

 

Agco Part Number 72516556 is a Fleetguard LF3894 Stratapore filter! My List price is $18.44. This is required on a 24v and newer, but will fit all years!

Agco Part Number 72501532 is a Fleetguard LF3349 Microglass filter! My List price is $9.03. This is only for 12v's!!

I have run the cheaper ones, but mostly I use the Stratopores because they are a heavier filter, with a sythetic media...peace of mind! I have never had any problems with either one though

Like I said, I'm sure you could find them cheaper, but in a pinch, they'll do

Chris

 

Sig600

I was shopping around for filters online and at geno's the fleetguard p/n is LF16035. What is the differance between your's (p/n LF3894) and the one's on geno's??

Thanks

 

Sig600,

Our closest dealer is now down in Ashland( I believe its call town and country). We used to have several dealers in the area but they have all closed up over the years.

 

The LF16035 has the fluted bottom for those goofy wrenches if I remember right Inside, they are the same!

Chris