Amsoil , analysis ???
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Amsoil , analysis ???
This is about my 3rd - 4th analysis , 1st with Amsoil .
The others were with Rotella 15/40wt -non syn. , 2 different labs , Blackstone & Cummins , the Rotella came out good , 1st about 10,000 miles , so went about 13,000 miles , still good .
Then switched to Amsoil 15/40wt HD marine , also added the Amsoil Dual by pass 15 , sent in a sample at 13,000 , came back with low TBN 6.2 [ new is 12 ] but high o2 / OX , they label as severe .
I had tried using some WMO as fuel , this was run through a old dual by pass sys. with Amsoil filters , then through a centrifuge for about 4-6 hrs. , so clean .
Looking for ideas on low TBN & high o2/OX levels ?
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The others were with Rotella 15/40wt -non syn. , 2 different labs , Blackstone & Cummins , the Rotella came out good , 1st about 10,000 miles , so went about 13,000 miles , still good .
Then switched to Amsoil 15/40wt HD marine , also added the Amsoil Dual by pass 15 , sent in a sample at 13,000 , came back with low TBN 6.2 [ new is 12 ] but high o2 / OX , they label as severe .
I had tried using some WMO as fuel , this was run through a old dual by pass sys. with Amsoil filters , then through a centrifuge for about 4-6 hrs. , so clean .
Looking for ideas on low TBN & high o2/OX levels ?
Thanks John
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Hmmm.... how many miles total on the truck? Did you run their engine flush (or any engine flush for that matter) through before the switch? Wonder if the high detergent is flushing out a bunch of junk. I don't think that the WMO should be an issue - especially not with the amount of filtering that you did to it. You just blended it with diesel.... you didn't run it straight. Right?
At this point I'd run some engine flush through with some new (cheap) filters in place and then I'd try it again - there's got to be an underlying reason for the numbers going sideways like they have.
At this point I'd run some engine flush through with some new (cheap) filters in place and then I'd try it again - there's got to be an underlying reason for the numbers going sideways like they have.
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When did you use the waste oil/fuel?
That would spike your numbers because the old oil soaks up acids and the additive packages in motor oil burn acidic.
I've been using amsoil for about 25 yrs and stopped testing after about 5 because they always came back good but I change it yearly anyway so I figure testing is a waste of $ unless I'm looking for a specific problem.
I did find one strange thing on this truck when I put in the dual bypass, The pressure went way down. I switched the supplied hoses with bigger ones and changed the mounting location to shorten the run. It fixed the problem. I think they've changed the hoses the send now.
That would spike your numbers because the old oil soaks up acids and the additive packages in motor oil burn acidic.
I've been using amsoil for about 25 yrs and stopped testing after about 5 because they always came back good but I change it yearly anyway so I figure testing is a waste of $ unless I'm looking for a specific problem.
I did find one strange thing on this truck when I put in the dual bypass, The pressure went way down. I switched the supplied hoses with bigger ones and changed the mounting location to shorten the run. It fixed the problem. I think they've changed the hoses the send now.
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I had some wacky readings with mine when first put in. I ran a batch for 10000 mi. Then canged ran another for 10k, then changed and been fine since. Now i run it for a year just changing filters, i only test once and a while just to make shure, but i do test the 99 twice a year because i pull the sled and drag with it and run it very hard with high egts alot. Other than that i always had good results.
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That answer makes sense. The filtering & centrifuging will take the junk out, but it won't change the chemical balance of the old oil.
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My analysis report is below measured amounts on soot , fuel & water - so not getting into crank case to do the hypothetical , absorbing of acids & additives ,
To me that is just the reversed , the old oil would have the acids .
Which bring up an old question , on an other thread of PH balancing waste oil ?
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There are several issues there , for some reason when I scanned it , it loaded over sized and when I tried to load it here it was too big to take , and I get access to internet via wifi coffee shops .
Then the only thing in the report that means anything is what I posted [ high ox & low TBN ] everything els is the same normal numbers , in fact lower than most , soot - fuel & antifreeze below what the equipment measures .
Do have a specific thing your looking for in the report ?
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Why did you choose marine oil and not any of the 4 different diesel oils?
I run the 3w30 series 3000 oil in mine and have since the first oil change.
The marine oil starts out with a TBN of 10.5 not the 12 of the diesel oils.
Why does burning used motor oil making your current oil analysis come back off, not make sense? Do you have some new fangled engine that has the fuel, combustion and lubrication areas hermetically sealed from each other?
I run the 3w30 series 3000 oil in mine and have since the first oil change.
The marine oil starts out with a TBN of 10.5 not the 12 of the diesel oils.
Why does burning used motor oil making your current oil analysis come back off, not make sense? Do you have some new fangled engine that has the fuel, combustion and lubrication areas hermetically sealed from each other?
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I am posting still , because I have not seen any answers .
I stop responding , because of argumentative [ attitude , which I normally just ignore , but there is so much of this these days , that then no info would ever be exchanged ] , any one els notice in most all of society today , most 1st responses are a negative at best , rather than questioning , to clarify ?
Your info appears to be wrong ?
This is where I have to go back to my 1st statement , the quote above does not merit a response .
Just trying to get back on track .
Maybe a little sensitive because of so much attitude in general on most forums & public venues .
I stop responding , because of argumentative [ attitude , which I normally just ignore , but there is so much of this these days , that then no info would ever be exchanged ] , any one els notice in most all of society today , most 1st responses are a negative at best , rather than questioning , to clarify ?
Your info appears to be wrong ?
Why did you choose marine oil and not any of the 4 different diesel oils?
This implies that marine , is not a diesel oil , it is .
I run the 3w30 series 3000 oil in mine and have since the first oil change.
This statement implies that no one should chose any other of the 4-5 diesel oils but the one you run , I guess I should have asked for your choice 1st , part two of the 1st & 2nd statements , I used my dealers advice to look at the different options , and together with my 35 yrs of auto repair [ never use less than a 10wt oil , except in extream conditions , regular temps below 30*F & colder ] because of the lack of lubing qualities , because the oil is too thin , so I agreed with his suggestion .
The marine oil starts out with a TBN of 10.5 not the 12 of the diesel oils.
Again your info is wrong , look at a bottle of 15-40wt HD Marine diesel oil , it says right on the bottle " 12 TBN " .
Why does burning used motor oil making your current oil analysis come back off, not make sense?
Having some small amount of knowledge of engine lubes , chemistry , it has not been stated in a way that the small amount of WMO as fuel would make this much change , but I am still posing the question ?
Do you have some new fangled engine that has the fuel, combustion and lubrication areas hermetically sealed from each other?
This implies that marine , is not a diesel oil , it is .
I run the 3w30 series 3000 oil in mine and have since the first oil change.
This statement implies that no one should chose any other of the 4-5 diesel oils but the one you run , I guess I should have asked for your choice 1st , part two of the 1st & 2nd statements , I used my dealers advice to look at the different options , and together with my 35 yrs of auto repair [ never use less than a 10wt oil , except in extream conditions , regular temps below 30*F & colder ] because of the lack of lubing qualities , because the oil is too thin , so I agreed with his suggestion .
The marine oil starts out with a TBN of 10.5 not the 12 of the diesel oils.
Again your info is wrong , look at a bottle of 15-40wt HD Marine diesel oil , it says right on the bottle " 12 TBN " .
Why does burning used motor oil making your current oil analysis come back off, not make sense?
Having some small amount of knowledge of engine lubes , chemistry , it has not been stated in a way that the small amount of WMO as fuel would make this much change , but I am still posing the question ?
Do you have some new fangled engine that has the fuel, combustion and lubrication areas hermetically sealed from each other?
Just trying to get back on track .
Maybe a little sensitive because of so much attitude in general on most forums & public venues .
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I think your numbers that were high in your oil report and low TBN are related to you using WMO. I don't recall any Blackstone report listing O2 so whats it for? BTW did you install Amsoil 15w40 when you changed oil so that you can compare the next oil report with this one? I've read that even Bio diesel is hard on oil so if you use some that could be why your oil report not where you want it to be. BTW, both Amsoil 15w40 and 5w30 HDD diesel oil have a base TBN of 12.1.
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I do not thing that 6-8 gals used 2 gals at a time mix at 10-20% with #2 , is going to cause that much change .
What I referred to as o2 , they call oxidation [ my mistake ] .
I have been using bio long before this report , so that is not a change .
Yes I changed the oil & filters , will see what the next report says .
I quit using Blackstone , the TBN is extra & they charge too much , 3 times as much as Cummins .
What I referred to as o2 , they call oxidation [ my mistake ] .
I have been using bio long before this report , so that is not a change .
Yes I changed the oil & filters , will see what the next report says .
I quit using Blackstone , the TBN is extra & they charge too much , 3 times as much as Cummins .
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My TBN went up 0.36 on my oil report and the only thingds different between the 2 reports were 408 less miles on the 2nd report (but then oil was in the engine 5.5 months longer then the first report) the winter temps were 15 degrees colder and for about a month longer and I stopped using 2 cycle oil in my fuel! So I do think WEO may affect your oil reports as to why I don't know. Also I read a Cummins report several months back about how Bio maybe affecting the oil in the new 6.7L engine do to how they use raw fuel to clean out the DPF and they know some of the Bio gets by the rings and in to the oil an causing problems. When you send in your oil sample to Cummins to be tested did you tell them you were burning WEO? I always list any thing I use in the fuel with every oil sample just in case it could get in to the oil and affect the oil report.
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Hi. sorry if I seem like Im hijacking the thread but I didnt think it was necessary to start another thread about amsoil oil analysis.
I just got mine in and I have some questions...
Its off the truck in my sig. Amsoil 15w-40 HDD/M with Ea oil filter. Its got about 12K on it, about a year or so long interval and the sample company is Amsoil/OilAnalyzers Inc.
Note: Throughout this interval I have run many different fuel additives, 2-stroke oil, clean oil, WMO and even B10 on a few tanks. Most of my driving is lousy in town stop and go garbage. The only highway driving I do it seems to be on 900+ mile round trips home for holidays.
The report came back saying Overall severity of the report was a #1/Normal.
The one comment is "Data flagged for observation onlyl LEAD is at a MINOR LEVEL and may be OVERLAY METAL from MAIN/ROD BEARINGS;"
Lead is at a 10. Whats normal?
By TBN is 8.40. That good? Bad? Whats normal?
Whats good/bad/normal for any of these results? Is there a key or chart out there?
I just got mine in and I have some questions...
Its off the truck in my sig. Amsoil 15w-40 HDD/M with Ea oil filter. Its got about 12K on it, about a year or so long interval and the sample company is Amsoil/OilAnalyzers Inc.
Note: Throughout this interval I have run many different fuel additives, 2-stroke oil, clean oil, WMO and even B10 on a few tanks. Most of my driving is lousy in town stop and go garbage. The only highway driving I do it seems to be on 900+ mile round trips home for holidays.
The report came back saying Overall severity of the report was a #1/Normal.
The one comment is "Data flagged for observation onlyl LEAD is at a MINOR LEVEL and may be OVERLAY METAL from MAIN/ROD BEARINGS;"
Lead is at a 10. Whats normal?
By TBN is 8.40. That good? Bad? Whats normal?
Whats good/bad/normal for any of these results? Is there a key or chart out there?