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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 11:01 PM
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04.5 duramax LLY

Has anyone saw the new specs for the duramax. Here is a high light of the new features I read:

1) Garret Variable-Vane Turbocharger:
This is the big news - virtually instant boost and a built-in engine brake at the same time! Since the vanes are PCM controlled, it can be used to do some slick things, like closing the vanes under cold engine operation to generate more backpressure and improve warmup times. This feature is also used with the high idle (more on that later)
But here is the trick feature: The vanes can be closed for an exhuast brake! (In a variable-vane turbo, all of the exhaust gases pass through the vanes) And the PCM is programmed to do that.
2) New Design Fuel Injectors:
I've seen the new engine, and boy are these injectors ever easier to get at. Of course, Bosch has apparently fixed the ball-seat erosion problem that I noticed alluded to in other discussions. So, now that they are easy to get at, we probably won't be changing them as often.
3) Fast-Heating Glow plugs:
They heat to 1000 degrees celsius in 2 seconds. Enough said
4) High Idle system built-in:
No more wiring high idle switches! The system can be activated with a little song and dance with the ignition, accel pedal and brake pedal. The high idle system responds to engine coolant temperatures and automatically ramps up the idle when it cools down from idling. (as can happen in the colder parts of the country)



What do you guys think?
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 11:20 PM
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Its a V-8 ...


The industrial B series engine uses VGT technology as well and utilizes the same features. This turbo setup is not available on the Dodge version yet, though there are some rumours brewing..

Well at least they cut down some of the time to replace the injectors, as it seems to be a necessity..

J-eh
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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Had a guy delivering a Wrangler articulated loader last week.
He was driving an 01 GMC Dually, Duramax, 6spd, 4x4

His truck had ate 19 injectors in 300,000 km!!!! (187,000 miles)


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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by tool His truck had ate 19 injectors in 300,000 km!!!! (187,000 miles)
He should have bought a Dodge/Cummins!
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 08:18 AM
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Re: 04.5 duramax LLY

Originally posted by tmoore
Has anyone saw the new specs for the duramax. Here is a high light of the new features I read:

1) Garret Variable-Vane Turbocharger:
This is the big news - virtually instant boost and a built-in engine brake at the same time! Since the vanes are PCM controlled, it can be used to do some slick things, like closing the vanes under cold engine operation to generate more backpressure and improve warmup times. This feature is also used with the high idle (more on that later)
But here is the trick feature: The vanes can be closed for an exhuast brake! (In a variable-vane turbo, all of the exhaust gases pass through the vanes) And the PCM is programmed to do that.
2) New Design Fuel Injectors:
I've seen the new engine, and boy are these injectors ever easier to get at. Of course, Bosch has apparently fixed the ball-seat erosion problem that I noticed alluded to in other discussions. So, now that they are easy to get at, we probably won't be changing them as often.
3) Fast-Heating Glow plugs:
They heat to 1000 degrees celsius in 2 seconds. Enough said
4) High Idle system built-in:
No more wiring high idle switches! The system can be activated with a little song and dance with the ignition, accel pedal and brake pedal. The high idle system responds to engine coolant temperatures and automatically ramps up the idle when it cools down from idling. (as can happen in the colder parts of the country)



What do you guys think?
Anything looks good on paper. Anything. I want to see real world testing. The 6.0 was going to be an awesome engine correct?? Look how the '03's turned out.
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 08:45 AM
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I would hate to be the test station on that turbo system. It sounds great on paper, but what happens when it gets a few hard miles on it and a little rust and soot. Too many moving parts that can mess up. And its not a Cummins its a chebby. Only time will tell but it wouldn't be on my time or dime.
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 09:16 AM
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Well.....the turbos have been around awhile and they are good.
But if the eng. is v8 thats bad real bad bad bad if a v8 was needed they would be in semi trks and that has been history already!
with a stait 6, 1 head is nice not 2, The exhust and turbo match up well -never yet on a v configuration
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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I will buy a ford or chevy when they can first of all make it to the 500k mile mark and then get bombed and stay together V8s are junk and always will be...it is just not a diesel if it is not a 6 cylinder...
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 09:03 PM
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Its still a V and its got them glow plugs
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:38 AM
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Look under the hood of a V-8 diesel and then look under the hood of a '03 Dodge Cummins and tell me which you would wanna work on. Lots of room and everything is neatly organized in the Cummins.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 07:51 AM
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V-8 diesels are like helicopters... in theory they really shouldn't fly, but they do, so people use them. But when something goes wrong, it's a real disaster!

Just my opinion tho. LOTS of them around, so they MUST be good!
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by welder27
Look under the hood of a V-8 diesel and then look under the hood of a '03 Dodge Cummins and tell me which you would wanna work on. Lots of room and everything is neatly organized in the Cummins.
You got that right. I looked under the hood of our new Powerstroke and almost had heart failure. I told my wife only way we buy it was with a full bumper to bumper extended warranty and a full maintence plan. I am NOT going to work on that pig.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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One main reason that you don't see a V-8 in an over the road application is because of the huge push for weight savings. A 3408 Cat, or a 8V92 Detroit will run all over any currently built inline class 8 motor out there, but they are very big, heavy, and have poor fuel milage. Not to mention they will not pass the EPA emission standards.

As far as multiple heads being bad, the most widely built Cummins ever, the N series 855 cu. in. engine has 3 heads, one for every two cylinders. The big KTA 1150, one of the best engine Cummins ever made, IMHO, has one head per cylinder....
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Old Feb 14, 2004 | 10:11 PM
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And its not a Cummins its a chebby.
Actually, isn't the Duramax manufactured by Isuzu? Or is that ignorance on my behalf? I know the Powerstroke is a Navistar...
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Re: 04.5 duramax LLY

Originally posted by tmoore
Has anyone saw the new specs for the duramax. Here is a high light of the new features I read:

1) Garret Variable-Vane Turbocharger:
This is the big news - virtually instant boost and a built-in engine brake at the same time! Since the vanes are PCM controlled, it can be used to do some slick things, like closing the vanes under cold engine operation to generate more backpressure and improve warmup times. This feature is also used with the high idle (more on that later)
But here is the trick feature: The vanes can be closed for an exhuast brake! (In a variable-vane turbo, all of the exhaust gases pass through the vanes) And the PCM is programmed to do that.
2) New Design Fuel Injectors:
I've seen the new engine, and boy are these injectors ever easier to get at. Of course, Bosch has apparently fixed the ball-seat erosion problem that I noticed alluded to in other discussions. So, now that they are easy to get at, we probably won't be changing them as often.
3) Fast-Heating Glow plugs:
They heat to 1000 degrees celsius in 2 seconds. Enough said
4) High Idle system built-in:
No more wiring high idle switches! The system can be activated with a little song and dance with the ignition, accel pedal and brake pedal. The high idle system responds to engine coolant temperatures and automatically ramps up the idle when it cools down from idling. (as can happen in the colder parts of the country)



What do you guys think?
The only thing that I see in there that impresses me is the built in high-idle. As for the rest of it, Chevy can have it.
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