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Old 11-30-2006, 06:35 AM
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Sometimes I forget that I live in The United States of AMErica
Hey! Take it to all-politics.net




I just wanted to say that to Ed, since it's usually his line
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According to the EPA, which made the rules, it takes about 7 full tanks to clean out red dye. I would change the fuel filter at least twice, until no more dye shows up. They aren't dipping in our area anymore, but that doesn't mean they won't be, as more homemade bio starts appearing. Homemade bio isn't taxed either.

How much cheaper? That depends on your state fuel tax. In some states it's a pittance (7.5 cents) to major headache (28 cents). Also subtract the Fed fuel tax (24.4 cents). You're looking at 32-52 cents a gallon less than pump.
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To answer the original question, the off road diesel will not harm your truck at all. When I was dipped for off road diesel this summer I told them I was running bio mix and they said "we don't care about that". They never checked my tailpipe, fuel filter, just the fuel in my tank. Ironically I was parked no more then 50' from a bulk tank of off road diesel, and had been considering running it but decided not to do so.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by displacedtexan
Hey! Take it to all-politics.net

I just wanted to say that to Ed, since it's usually his line

Actually, to do that properly....
You should have added it as a link.


Hey! Take it to all-politics.net

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Old 11-30-2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead
Actually, to do that properly....
You should have added it as a link.


Hey! Take it to all-politics.net

Geeze thats complicated!

I'll try harder next time. Like Avis!
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I told them I was running bio mix and they said "we don't care about that".
Believe me, they will in the future, esp if prices ignite to around $100/bbl!
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Originally Posted by induchman
Believe me, they will in the future, esp if prices ignite to around $100/bbl!
I agree 100%
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Originally Posted by induchman
According to the EPA, which made the rules, it takes about 7 full tanks to clean out red dye. I would change the fuel filter at least twice, until no more dye shows up. They aren't dipping in our area anymore, but that doesn't mean they won't be, as more homemade bio starts appearing. Homemade bio isn't taxed either.

How much cheaper? That depends on your state fuel tax. In some states it's a pittance (7.5 cents) to major headache (28 cents). Also subtract the Fed fuel tax (24.4 cents). You're looking at 32-52 cents a gallon less than pump.
But homemade bio isn't dyed either . Could they detect it when dipping ?
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I think anyone in the government trying to tax homemade biofuel would be tripping a political claymore
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I think anyone in the government trying to tax homemade biofuel would be tripping a political claymore
I guess I don't understand why someone running homemade biofuel should expect a free pass if they're operating on public roads. Don't they have an obligation to carry their fair share of the burden for road construction, repair and maintenance? I certainly think so.

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Well, they're incurring extra costs associated with using an environmentally "green" fuel that the rest of us #2 consumers don't have...

and it's common practice for the government to offer tax-break incentives for alternative energy sources.
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The question is funding of our public road system - the fuel tax is a key component of that. Why should I (and the others who run taxed fuel) have to pay their share of the burden? The concept is pretty simple - if one operates a vehicle off-road only, then run tax-free fuel; conversely, if one operates a vehicle on the public roads, then road taxes should be applicable.

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I'm well aware of the concept, Friend - what say you to the tax incentive aspect?

p.s. I have no dog in this hunt - just donning the mantle of devil's advocate.
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Originally Posted by XLR8R
...what say you to the tax incentive aspect?
I don't buy into it since the road taxes lost have to be made up by others. A truck running on biofuel has the same impact on the roads as the identical truck running on taxed #2 diesel or gasoline.

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The red dyed diesel will not hurt anything, except your wallet, if by some very remote chance you got caught using it on public roads. We go thru 80,000 gallons a month of Red LS #2 B20. Our fleet has 3000HP EMD's, 3412 CAT's, 855 Cummins, 6BT and 4BT Cummins engines. The only difference in the red diesel and the stuff every highway fuel stop across the country sells, is the color and the price.
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