I hate ULSD....
 

Filled up this morning at Wally mart, $2.769 BTW. This is my third fillup since running ULSD and pretty much determined ULSD is killing my fuel economy. Losing around 2-3mpg average.
Say goodbye to 18-19mpg around town and hello to 15-16mpg. [verymad]

MikeyB

Think you're just going to accept the fact that ULSD is here to stay and that cleaner air saves you more money in the long run with reduced health problems, not just for yourself but for those you support with earned and tax dollars.

I didn't notice a drop in fuel economy. I did notice how clean it burns and how little smell the exhaust has.

I know. I don't mind the cleaner air but hate losing the fuel economy.

MikeyB

So2 doesn't attribute to health problems, though, does it?

(Well, unless you're 15 foot tall and called David...)

We haven't seen that junk yet. I guess we have to wait a little longer for the pipeline to flush out before we get the pleasure of added engine heat and lower economy in Kansas.

I agree with Infidel. There are areas around here that already have it ,I haven't seen it yet. As far as doing anything about it,you can't,unless you go buy a New one or go to gas.That's my thought.Cin

David was the small one...GOLIATH was the big one.......

We don't have it here yet either....not to many people I know around here are concerned that it's not. Friend of mine keeps telling me to get down to an oil company in Lawrenceburg and pick up some bean oil additive, comes in 5 gallon buckets, says he loves it, puts back the lubricity.

This David...
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To my knowledge, nobody's connected health risks with SO2; SO2 just causes acid rain. (Which, of course, we'll pay for in decreased crop and timber productivity, building maintenance and "cultural loss".)

NOx is what causes all the health problems. And "particulates", supposedly. :rolleyes:

That has ben around for quite a while. No need to when they are selling B11 here. My Ram seems to like it too.

ULSD has about a 12% lower BTU rating than the previous low sulphur version. BTU's are what create the heat and power in a diesel, so the best solution is to compensate for the lighter fuel by bumping up your initial timing a couple degrees to maximize the burn. For the third gen's pick up the Rokktech timing sensor and set your initial timing up, and you will barely notice the fuel consumption drop.

What can 2nd gens do?

I do have a Rokktech installed and the fuel economy still dropped. Also running 16oz of Power Service Diesel Klean with cetane booster.

MikeyB

If you have it in your area, perhaps you should check into running bio.
I dont know what will do for your economy, but perhaps it may help.
Rich.

It seems Diesel & Gasser alike have a new cross to bear. :( and it's called EPA Clean Air Regs.
The tests with gassers running E85 Ethanol/Gasoline show a reduction of ~25% in mpg over straight gasoline.
At least we're still looking at better efficiency.

Didnt someone post on this site from a Cummins rep that the ULSD has the same BTU per gallon as the LSD? My mileage has not decreased. Still hovering around 20-21.

I think it has made its way here. My last 2 tank fills were lower by 2-3 mpg also.

What gripes me is they are useing it as a excuse,to keep diesel prices high. If gas drops much more around here,there is going to be a dollar a gallon differance,between gas and diesel,it's at 77 cents now.

Thats ridiculous, we still have the old smokey diesel here, guess we need to get our kicks in on it now before things get worse!!!! ;.; Bye bye smoke.

From Chevron's ULSD FAQs:
Rusty

i dont think i have run it yet but my brother has seen it around our area. and i hate the fact that there are 70 cents difference between gas and diesel. maybe i have ran it, i was wondering y i was loosing some economy....hhhmmmmm im gonna have to check into that.

are you trying to start another rant on the welfare system?[nonono]

ulsd isnt here yet, the mileage is bad enough. not much I can do there, just wondering what it is actually going to do to my performance though.

Diesel has been averaging about 40 cents a gallon more than regular here in Houston. I did see it for 2.749 at a Shell station on my way to work this morning. I find it hard to believe is costs the refiners ~.50/gallon more to make ULSD than it did to make LSD. Are they trying to recoup ALL of their investment on their new refining equipment immediately? Are diesel drivers now subsidizing the gasoline drivers? I see no reason for diesel to be so much higher than gas. Even ULSD in not as refined a product as regular unleaded.[verymad]

Noticed yesterday that the local station had changed the sticker to say that 2007 and newer CAN run this fuel.

Only ran ~120 miles so far, and the overhead is reading 15.2 (remodeling my bathroom, and like any plumbing job, it takes 5 trips to Home Depot to get everything, so there were 4 or 5 trips of 6 miles roundtrip in there to kill the mileage).

With the trip I made yesterday, plus a bunch of small trips, I would normally still read 16.1 - 16.4 on the overhead (which normally runs 16.5-17.0 hand calc'd).

I realize 1/4 tank isn't very revealing, but so far it seems as though it has dropped a bit...and if you figure that I still had about 5 gal of LSD in the tank, it does not bode well for the ULSD. Guess I'll get a better feel after a few tanks...I'll just tell the wife that I have to make a bunch of trips for "research!".[laugh]

BTW...the station with the ULSD dropped almost 30 cents in the week since I last filled up, and that was when they were still running LSD. Now they are about 10 cents cheaper than the Exxon a mile away that still has LSD. Go figure.

Saw a difference of 88cents in Denton TX!!!!! [verymad] [verymad]

Not at all, but you know as well as I that if someone who can't afford it gets sick in this country they aren't denied treatment. All of us end up paying for sickness in the long run.

how correct you are.

I've actually gotten better efficiencies with ULSD. I got an average of 21 in Texas this summer with it (city highway) and got about 18 with B99. In New Mexico I found some and got 24 mpg. With the LSD here in Oklahoma I get about 19 mpg.

I remember hearing somewhere that the ULSD is supposed to have a higher cetane number, but I could just be delirious.

"...if someone who can't afford it gets sick in this country they aren't denied treatment."

That depends on what insurance company is involved.

Pretty sure it's a federal law that a person can't be denied treatment at an emergency room due to lack of money or insurance.
That's why people without money or insurance clog up the emergency rooms with problems that aren't really emergencies.
As a result healthcare and insurance premiums are raised for the rest of us.

amen brother

You are correct, sir! [guitar]

ulsd
 

[laugh] absolutely correct.i have been in fire ems for 15 yrs and the majority of people i take to hospital dont have a job.people that have jobs dont call for am ambulance at 0300am for bellyache.they take somethin and go to bed coz they know they gotta go to work in the morning.i have asked doctors in er to write people scrips for a job instead of meds,because there is nothing wrong with most of these people that a job would not cure. i dont know how we got on this subject ,my apologies to administrators.i feel much better now btw my fuel mileage seems to have dropped by 2mpg since using ulsd,can we buy sulfur in a can anywhere?[laugh]

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i dont know how we got on this subject

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It's within the subject because the entire reasoning behind ULSD is cleaner air, which results in better heath for everyone.
Don't think you'll find anyone claiming that smog is good for you.
The higher price and lower mpgs with ULSD will hopefully balance out or come out ahead of the hidden costs we pay for dirty air.

ONE MEASLEY PERCENTAGE POINT??

That's how much less energy content?


IMO, that's a miniscule price to pay for the much cleaner burning of ULSD.

I'm expecting VP44 failures to lessen with the new fuel.


Bill's completely right about the sickness thing. We pretty much already have socialized medicine, and the ULSD is just part of our premium in this new HMO.


Brings new meaning to the term "premium diesel", EH????

A while ago, the wife had a bad bad ear ache. Keep me up all night, took her to the ER, I tried to sleep there. had to work the next day. I think only one other person wsa actually in pain there. I swear it was a hangout for some people....

Umm no ULSD in OR yet....I do lots of city driving...avg about 15mpg, using the right pedal to help steer...and I wonder why I need tires...[duhhh]

So here is a thought. With them removing the sulfur from the diesel because of the particals, this in turn has resulted in a decrease in fuel mileage which results in us using more fuel??? http://deephousepage.com/smilies/conf40.gif Yes???

Soooo how is this going to be be healthier???

The decrease in energy content (BTU/gal) of ULSD from LSD is reported to be about 1%, which won't effect mileage as much as how many bugs smash into your grill on any given summer drive...

... so far, anecdotal evidence for mileage differences have been both sparse and contradictory.

If the energy content lost is only 1% then why is it that the one tank of it I got on my vacation this summer gave me a loss of 3.25 mpg. I know I'm not the only one who has lost 2-3 mpg from ULSD.

2500CTD, what part of OR are you in? I moved from OR to IA last year and I'm very happy with lower cost of living and friendly people.

Just my $0.02