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Old Mar 1, 2008 | 04:15 AM
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Could be true, you tell me.

I got this email today from a friend. Just checkin it out I dont know how true it is but check it out.

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I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in
California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my
line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon.

Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we
deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.
One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and
premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of
16,800,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the
ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations
have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the
more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying
in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a
gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the
temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other
petroleum products plays an important role.

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the
service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.

When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a
fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)
stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low
speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are
pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping
on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes
vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground
storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.

One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF
FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in
your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates
faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal
floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and
the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service
stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature
compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.

Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage
tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline
is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up
some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will
help you get the most value for your money.

DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!

WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON

Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It
might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We
should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into
the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just buy from gas companies that don't
import their oil from the Saudis.

Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up
the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my
family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies
are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle
Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels

Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels

Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels

Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels

Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If
you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!
(oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel)

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco..................0 barrels

Conoco..................0 barrels

Sinclair.................0 barrels

BP/Phillips............0 barrels

Hess.......................0 barrels

ARCO....................0 barrels

If you go to Sunoco.com <http://sunoco.com/> , you will get a list of
the station locations near you.

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are
importing.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
buyers. It's really simple to do.

Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how
simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it
to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least
ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers!!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to
ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it.....THREE HUNDRED MILLION
PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would all
that take?
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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Sounded interesting, must not be worthy.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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i buy most of my fuel from luvs,pilot,flyin j
guess i need to find out how much they are importing?
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Gee, a get-the-gas-gougers-who-hate-us chain letter.

Only problem, crude oil is a world commodity. Buying gas or diesel from sources that supposedly don't import from Saudi Arabia will have zero impact on the Saudis, right or wrong. They will sell exactly the same amount of oil in the long run.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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I have always believed the cold/ vs hot theory. However I can't see that the underground tanks will vary that much in temperature since 6 feet down the earths temp does not fluctuate very much in any given day.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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A few of the newer pumps in my area have new stickers that say they compenstate for tem differences.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 10:05 PM
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I suppose I see what your saying about being the world commodity. I wasnt thinking about it till just now but if we dont buy our petrol from the saudis then wont we eventually make the middle easterners a super power when the rest of the world runs out. They could charge us what ever they wanted right?
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 06:45 AM
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Several companies have been charged with heating their underground tanks to get the temps above the 60* threshold to maximize their profits.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tristan21
I suppose I see what your saying about being the world commodity. I wasnt thinking about it till just now but if we dont buy our petrol from the saudis then wont we eventually make the middle easterners a super power when the rest of the world runs out. They could charge us what ever they wanted right?
They already are. OPEC dictates how much crude each member can pump. By doing that, they artificially control supply. With supply controlled, demand determines prices. If the prices aren't to OPEC's liking, they just tweak supply a little to get them where they want them, up or down.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TreeFarm
They already are. OPEC dictates how much crude each member can pump. By doing that, they artificially control supply. With supply controlled, demand determines prices. If the prices aren't to OPEC's liking, they just tweak supply a little to get them where they want them, up or down.
That sounds like the same thing that's happening with the refineries.

Cut back on output (mantenence / weather / janitor out with a cold / whatever, any ol' excuse will do) until the output falls enough to cause prices to rise, then when the prices are where they want them,......put the refinery back on line.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 04:43 PM
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So anybody wanna fill me in on makin my own biodiesel? Not Miky D oil, the other system. Whats it cost to get setup to do it the right way the first time and then what does it cost each.

Maybe this is worthy of its own thread after I do a search.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 04:53 PM
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I seems that the temp issue is raised by those from tank farms [ above ground ] , below its too stable of temp to make a measurable difference .
Picking stations is not going to help , almost anywhere you go there are few refinery's , no mater what the brand , you get the same fuel , except for additives [ add to the truck at loading ] .
Bio-diesel info site .

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=447609751
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Tanks for tha link. Ill give it a go.
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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by John Faughn
almost anywhere you go there are few refinery's , no mater what the brand , you get the same fuel , except for additives [ add to the truck at loading ] .
Correct. And to elaborate a little, just because you buy gas from "Brand X" station does not mean you are buying gasoline made in a "Brand X" refinery. Actually it's usually the opposite. Most stations buy from the nearest distributor, and distributors will buy from whomever provides the best purchase+cost to transport. Buying "Brand X" only guarantees that you get "Brand X's" additive.
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