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Old Oct 5, 2005 | 01:52 PM
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Not really the "fuel in a jar" I was looking for, but thanks anyway..
Old Oct 5, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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if it makes anyone happy, oilguy has taken pics of his plant and i have seen them along with alot of others who are in the building stages right now.

we took the risk and paid the $$$s, along with signing a binding confidentiality agreement, we are happy to post our findings and results here for you guys, please dont make it become something we dont want to do.
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 08:06 AM
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Just trying to help out...Oilguy did say "it looks excactly like his picture on ebay."
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 08:35 AM
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What I don't understand is why even mention this thing on a forum where you know full and well people are going to want to see proof.

I didn't ask to see the plans or ask how the thing was buildt. I asked for someone to take the time and post a picture of the product produced from the machine. Seems pretty simple if you ask me.

I'm a little slow, but I fail to see how that would violate any agreement.

I'm done with this fourth grade "I've got a secret" bull.

At least bio-diesel is proven and you don't have to deal with this mentality.

Buy the way. I've got the cure for the "VP44 failings", but I can't show you how to fix it. Confidentiality agreement, you understand.
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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Talk about fourth grade..."take your ball and go home."

I think this has been a very interesting conversation. It has encouraged me to purchase the plans just to play around with this method for awhile. If it works out for me, great. If not, I am out a few hundred bucks. I've thrown away a lot more than that on less promising ventures in my life.

I respect the guys that have paid their money, signed the agreement and kept their word. I am appreciative for the information I have recieved from them, as well; they didn't have to say anything. I would also like to see pictures, but because I do not know the conditions of the agreement, I refuse to degrade them on a public forum. Well, that, and it's just not how I roll...these guys paid the money and rolled the dice. They didn't look for something for nothing. I respect that.
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gobucks
Talk about fourth grade..."take your ball and go home."

I think this has been a very interesting conversation. It has encouraged me to purchase the plans just to play around with this method for awhile. If it works out for me, great. If not, I am out a few hundred bucks. I've thrown away a lot more than that on less promising ventures in my life.

I respect the guys that have paid their money, signed the agreement and kept their word. I am appreciative for the information I have recieved from them, as well; they didn't have to say anything. I would also like to see pictures, but because I do not know the conditions of the agreement, I refuse to degrade them on a public forum. Well, that, and it's just not how I roll...these guys paid the money and rolled the dice. They didn't look for something for nothing. I respect that.
Something for nothing? Get real! If you think I would be able to somehow reverse engineer this "wonder machine" by looking at some "fuel" coming from it, you give me WAY too much credit. Good luck with your new venture GoBucks.

If anyone takes my post as a form of degradation needs to get some thicker skin!

And just to be clear. I'll decide when to take my ball and go home, because that's how I
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 10:55 AM
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"I'm done with this fourth grade "I've got a secret" bull.

At least bio-diesel is proven and you don't have to deal with this mentality."


I apologize...I guess I equate someone telling another person that they have a fourth grade mentality with "degradation." Unless, of course, the person on the receiving end of that comment was under seven years of age, in which case it would be a compliment. Apparently, you don't take kindly to it either, as I got quite a rise out of you.

To the guys like Oilguy and Upersleder, I hope you will continue to post on this topic, as I know there are several people following it very closely. Actually, maybe the dude at Verrall Electric should consider softening his non-disclosure agreement to encourage more open debate on these internet forums. I am sure he has seen a spike in his sales since this thread and others like it started.
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 11:10 AM
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Copy of the contract. All in all, I think it states the actual intent that the author does not want anyone to share the plans, however legally it is very weak. First, nobody in Australia can step on our rights to free speech. Second, there is a clear opportunity here for someone to build and market anything that works (see definition of patent). Verall just put out a bunch of blah blah blah in order to maximize his earnings on an idea that is not even his own. He merely took an idea one step further and is trying to make it sound as if he invented it. If I made one and it worked, I'd patent it and make a thousand of them. My own design, my own product.

Agreement of Confidentiality, Indemnity, and Non Disclosure , I of (Name of applicant) (Address of Applicant)in(Suburb/Town of Applicant) (Postcode/Zip of Applicant)(Country of applicant)

(hereafter referred to as “the applicant”) on the _day of _ agree to the (Day)_(Month)_ (Year)
following:
1.) Upon paying for the Free Diesel plans, I, the applicant am legally bound to make no attempts to give any information regarding the Free Diesel plans and/or the methods of operation and/or any other information that is in any way even remotely associated with the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant to any other person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party.

2.) I, the applicant agree that no copies of the Free Diesel plans are to be made for distribution by any means, not limited to, but including: on paper or other writing material, electronically, visually, or verbally. In no way now known or any way that may be developed or devised in the future may the Free Diesel plans be reproduced in part(s) or in full.

3.) I, the applicant agree to hold no more than one paper and/or electronic copy of the Free Diesel plans in my possession at any given time.

4.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others the Free Diesel plans.

5.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others photos, diagrams, or drawings of the Free Diesel plant and/or equipment.

6.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others instructions for the Free Diesel plant and/or the Free Diesel plans.

7.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others copies or replicas of the Free Diesel plant and/or equipment.

8.) I, the applicant agree that in building, manufacturing or attempting to build or manufacture the Free diesel plant, I could be causing a danger to myself and/or others.

9.) I, the applicant agree that in operating or attempting to operate any parts of the Free diesel plant, I could be causing a danger to myself and/or others.

10.) I, the applicant understand that certain safety measures will be explained to me in the Free Diesel plans and I, the applicant also understand that there could be other safety measures that are not mentioned to me as the applicant, but I the applicant should be aware of or make myself the applicant aware of.

11.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in building, manufacturing, or attempting to build or manufacture any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in
the event that is causes or partially causes or has a part either significant or insignificant in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage. This is regardless of whether I follow or do not follow any safety measures explained, partially explained or implied or partially implied by Verrall Electrical in the Free Diesel plans or in any other correspondence.

12.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in operating, or attempting to operate any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that it causes or partially causes or has a part either significantly or insignificantly in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage. This is regardless of whether I follow or do not follow any safety measures explained, partially explained or implied or partially implied by Verrall Electrical in the Free Diesel plans or in any other correspondence.

13.) I, the applicant am willing to personally take full and total responsibility for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in building, manufacturing, or attempting to build or manufacture any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that it causes or partially causes or has a part either significant or insignificant in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage.

14.) I, the applicant am willing to personally take full and total responsibility for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in operating, or attempting to operate any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that is causes or partially causes or has a part either significantly or insignificantly in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage.

15.) I, the applicant understand it is totally my responsibility and no responsibility whatsoever of Verrall Electrical to ensure that the Free Diesel plant meets environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws.

16.) I, the applicant understand that whilst Verrall Electrical will endeavor to assist the applicant with any queries the applicant may have with regards to the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant, it is not possible for Verrall Electrical to answer all the questions the applicant may have. This is due to different states and/or counties in different countries having different environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws regarding excise, pollution, and other matters not implied or mentioned here within.

17.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in using any product(s) such as but not limited to: Free Diesel, Free Diesel derivatives, that originate from the Free Diesel plant or Free Diesel plans. These claims are not limited to but may or may not include damage to any engines, vehicles, or any other article that the Free Diesel or Free Diesel derivatives may come into contact with.

Terminology of the Agreement of Confidentiality, Indemnity, and Non Disclosure

The Applicant: The person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party whose details are on the top of this form. This must also be the person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party who signs the agreement at the bottom of this form.

Others: Any person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party who is not the applicant.

Free Diesel: Any product(s) that comes from part of the process or comes from the complete process of manufacturing and/or operating the Free Diesel plant. This is not limited to but may include anything from the Petroleum Hydrocarbon Chemical Family or what is commonly known as Diesel, Petrol, and suchlike.

Free Diesel plans: The material in either a paper or electronic form that the applicant will receive from Verrall Electrical after paying the fee of AU$109.99. This includes but is not limited to drawings, instructions, and photos of how to build and operate the Free Diesel plant.

Free Diesel plant: The materials that separately or when combined make up the product the applicant builds or manufactures in accordance with the Free Diesel plans. This is the device that enables the applicant to make FREE DIESEL.
Verrall Electrical: The company as a whole registered as Verrall Electrical or as separate individuals made up of four persons namely Michael Arthur Verrall, Michelle Louise Verrall, Lindsey Glen Verrall, and Kathleen Estelle Verrall. This is a legal partnership registered in Australia with the Australian Business Number 65 157 496 312 at the registered address of 35 Princes Highway, Tailem Bend 5260, South Australia.

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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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Yep, you got a rise out of me all right.

Forgive my need for internet hype'd products to pass the sniff test. What am I thinking? Unlike yourself, I think it unwise and foolhardy to throw away a "few hundred buck" on less promising ventures.

I guess you gain a certain perspective when you leave the fourth grade.

I find it curious as to why this is the only thread you seem to have an interest? Some personal stake in the product, maybe?
I suspect you're some sort of "Spin Doctor" by the way you put words in my mouth.

Like I said gobucks, good luck in your new "venture", whatever it may be.
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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I would probably invest in this if I had a steady supply of used dino motor oil. With four diesel trucks and two diesel tractors would be a very nice cost savings for the family. Plus it would give something for my Dad to do when he retires.

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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by GIT-R-DONE
I want to know how it runs in your truck. Have you used any of what you have made so far ?

well....... ?
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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I was waiting for someone to ask who the new kid in school was…

I have absolutely no personal stake in this product. Like you, my family and I use lots of diesel; trucks, car and farm equipment. I am most interested in finding a low cost fuel for the car, as it gets the most everyday use right now. I bought a 2005 VW TDI due to the fuel savings (48 mpg). I use it to commute to work and drive around to check fields. I bought the car in April and already have 20,000 miles on it, so you can understand the considerable savings in driving this over the truck.

I very recently came across this forum by accident while researching alternative fuels. Having a relatively older stock Dodge (it’s now been relegated to farm machinery, instead of everyday driver), I don't see myself doing a lot of chatting on the other threads as a lot of them have to do with modifications. Just no interest… However, I will stick around to use the other valuable maintenance resources. It’s good to be able to ask questions and get answers from individuals that have already crossed that bridge.

Spin Doctor? I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I copied and pasted them directly from your post.

For the record, I will be the first to admit that your skepticism is not without warrant. However, I am the kind of guy that likes to weigh skepticism, against investment and potential returns. In this instance, given the ever increasing fuel prices, the return looks pretty promising. “Foolhardy,” my wife would agree…

Speaking of this venture…can we get back on the topic at hand? I am also interested in the answer to G-R-D’s question.

Oilguy – I know you responded to this question initially by saying, “I still have 80 gal in the truck right now so... no... I have not run it yet...” Is there any update?
Old Oct 6, 2005 | 10:32 PM
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Hey Gobucks!
Quite a lot of bickering going on since I was in here last! hahaha

I have been staying in town this week so I haven't gotten through this tank. I have a couple of changes to make the the plant so it has not been run the last 2 days. I have only made about 8 gal's that I have kept... I used the rest starting the plant and cleaning up a big mess in my work rig. (pressure line blow out on the waste oil!)
And to tell you the truth... I don't really care what it says the the NDA... I am just respecting Mike V and the others that paid good money for the plans... It is nothing more than that.
I also have no personal gain in this... I am just trying to get the word out... especially now that I have made it work.. and I am not the only one that has!
I will still post updates. I hope to be running it soon.

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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 01:37 PM
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Just trying to keep it interesting while we wait for you to get this thing built, tweaked, run your truck out of fuel, fuel tested, etc.

Gees, you act like you have a job/life other than building a diesel plant and keeping us updated.
Old Oct 8, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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OK... It is in the truck now. I put 15 gal (half a tank) in and I have only gone 8 miles... I will be driving about 120 tomorrow so if I notice any difference I will post it. It is mixed with the half a tank that was already in there... I was going to wait longer but I am impatient. (I am probably the only one impatient in this forum)
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