Don,
I do think it will be an interesting year. I hope you do come to IRL this year. You can drive(RACE) my truck. Heck your stickers are already on it. This 24 valve should run ok without ECM's and PCM's. I personally think your little goodies will suffice. Then you will be competing against the best and we will see! Truthfully I'm too fat to drive it anyway.
You will have to bring your own helmet, mine is huge!

Meacham Evins

 

I dont know. I suspect you could box me in there with the very owners on that one too.

Things is motion tend to stay in motion. Friction is what slows things down that are already moving. Simple.

Remove the force that is keeping an object in motion and friction will slow it. Depending on how much there is or is not present.

Let off the loud pedal of a truck pulling a heavy object
( like a sled ) and it will tend to keep moving. Rolling.

The sled is on wheels. Friction is from the pan and its down force and perhaps brakes and hooks in the dirt. Too many variables to just pull a number from the air. It takes a pretty good understanding of the variables to come to a calculation that is close enough to sell parts on.

Remember the sled, once moving forward is not too hard to keep moving until the friction is applied. Build up enough speed and momentum before the friction is high, and you have yourself a long pull.

Don~

 

Justin, Do you know the best MPH the Scheid dragster has gone?

I thought it was 160??

Anyway, using 160 MPH and and 2500 pounds I get an average HP of 799 and a peak of 865. Just about half of the trial ballon that was floated a few months back.

Here is a nice calculator or polygraph if you like:

http://www.mustangworks.com/analyzer.html

These numbers are very close to the numbers that Fulmer, BBD, The Garmon crew, and others are getting. The Garmon crew is using the Scheid pumps and Arias pistons now too. Their trap and ET give them roughly the same power as the dragster.

Maybe Kent Crowder has a special something no one else has or maybe just maybe, there really is not a Loch Ness monster after all.

Don~

 

Meach,

Track times say it all. You had the fastest 24 Valve truck using a VP44 and I aim to make certain you have the fastest P pumped truck too.

The DHRA would not respond with a good class for the fast 24 Valve trucks. The only thing we could do was dumb down and build a P pump truck using old technology. Well at least no one will ever acuse the DHRA of trying to move the technology end of Diesel performance forward anytime soon. LOL We can all run P pumps till the cows come home if that is what they feel is needed to keep them "in the loop" of competitiveness.

Don~

 

How fast did the 24v above go? It must go faster than 10.80 to be the fastests 24 Valve truck using a VP44.

 

The 10.80 was using drugs. Meachs truck was on Diesel fuel only. There is a difference.

He did have the fastest 24 V in the country and ran in at Indy, in front of many people with a 135 degree track temperature.

Don~

 

The DHRA rules and classes as written have helped create a drug culture ( 24 V with nitrous ) and a backwards thinking mentally in development toward a cleaner 1/4 mile run ( P pumps ) in the pro class.

You had two choices: P pumps or huge amounts of nitrous on a 24 V to run a Pro catagory or get any heads up racing done.

Thats spells smoke and low tech in my book. Thats fine though, we can all dumb down when needed. We will just forget the fact that the majority of truck owners who modify their trucks have 24 valves and relagate them to bracket racing. Sounds like a great recipe for fun and expansion in any sport.

The fastest 24 V trucks that run Diesel only cant compete on any level. Too fast for brackets and too slow from the VP44 fuel quantity to run Pro class.

Don~

 

not sure i agree with your drug culture reference,i think they are trying to level things out so more trucks will join the pro street ranks.with nos trucks getting to weigh 5500 lbs this year,same as twin trucks i think it will closen the field up .however i dont think the rules will stay this way,i think as they are now chevys will have the best set ups and i am sure changes will have to be made to even things back up.i do hope to see something very fast in prostreet with f1 injects though...

 

low tech? who cares. why don't you compete in the all electric vehicles if you want a high tech class. better yet, you should compete in the unmanned vehicle race. a diesel is a diesel, we all compete according to the rules, you seem to want to bend the rules to fit your truck only.

 

I thought the idea was progress and to move forward?

Like community and communism was a bad idea in the long run. The earliest forms of community fostered the worse in some people. Some Indian tribes in the Northeast became so lazy they would not plant anything season after season because they knew the community ( other Indian tribes locally ) would step up and feed them.

The DHRA could help the development of technology and innovation.

Its common knowledge the P pump can deliver more fuel than a Common Rail system...be it in the Dmax or the Cummins. The VP44 is a slacker little pump as well.

So, the CR and VP engines must use an additive. This is true in the DMax or the Dodge flavor. Plain and simple, they cant keep up without them. This creates a drug culture. I am not against drugs, dont get me wrong, but the push to innovate is absent.

Some minor advances have taken place in the CR engines, but you can never overtake a P pump in volume. One plunger can have more volume than the entire VP44 or CR pump has in a single stroke.

P pumps wont ever need an additive to kick a VP or CR engine to the curb until serious innovation is employed.

Until then, the easy way is taken by everyone. Communism at its root.

Don~

 

I know for a fact that the engine in the schied dragster is the exact same engine as Kent's pulling truck. once they started doing test runs then they would find what turbo housings would work the best. Also, I would think that if McBride can hit 130psi as quick as he does it surely is more than 840hp. I do know that he has been having troubles finding a tranny that will adapt to a diesel with that much power and torque at such a low rpm. just my .02

 

[QUOTE=silver03]Don, didn't you post something similar last year about a gen 3 in the 700hp range soon? We are still waiting.

I am getting close, the dyno run in my sig is a little out dated and after a few tweaks it feels noticeably stronger, I just need to get back to the dyno.....Pretty good for just a 30hp injector

 

if we should move foward in technology maybe someone can tell the nhra to start using the NEW hemi engines and tell nascar that all the new cars they are based off of, use ELECTRONIC fuel injection. So DON if i use my stock turbo and have the engine able to hold 7000rpm (more speed)i'll be right their with scheid,haisley and eep in sled pulling. i thought i was going to have to drop thousands on fueling and turbos to be able to compete with them, thats good news or i might just pull it with my honda 600rr it gets up to speed pretty quick.

Remember the sled, once moving forward is not too hard to keep moving until the friction is applied. Build up enough speed and momentum before the friction is high, and you have yourself a long pull.

 

[QUOTE=Mike S]Mike S, please keep us posted and let us know when you get close. I want to sell my 12V and start pulling my GEN 3 but a can not compete at this point. We need RPM's

 

700hp with a 3rd gen isnt anything without us getting over the 3000rpm power band limit (for sledpulling).