towing 2 trailers...
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towing 2 trailers...
ok fellas help me out here I am within the 65' barely, have to take the swim step of the boat but the weight is where I am scratching my head. My boat is 2600kg and the 5th wheel is 4000kg dry I believe, is 3/4 ton cummins good for that I think the door is at 8800kg I believe how much room for weight do I have? or am i over already?....I KNOW I have the power
. I also talked to some guys about axles behind the first trailer some say only single axle on the rear trailer some say 2 axle is fine? what is the deal with the axle numbers on the rear, lastly how do you know if the 5th wheel is strong enough to handle pulling a trailer, it's a travelaire and the frame looks really strong it is boxed steel at least versus some of the junk I have seen at shows.
I am hoping a couple of you guys can help me out being you are pulling the recreational B train.
ON another note I have the dyno day marked down hope to make it will probably have reintroduce myself I have been missing for so long.
Jason
. I also talked to some guys about axles behind the first trailer some say only single axle on the rear trailer some say 2 axle is fine? what is the deal with the axle numbers on the rear, lastly how do you know if the 5th wheel is strong enough to handle pulling a trailer, it's a travelaire and the frame looks really strong it is boxed steel at least versus some of the junk I have seen at shows.I am hoping a couple of you guys can help me out being you are pulling the recreational B train.
ON another note I have the dyno day marked down hope to make it will probably have reintroduce myself I have been missing for so long.
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I pull my quad behind our 5th wheel,our trailer has the steel box frame as well and i had a welding shop add the hitch to the 5er.I don't know about axles and stuff just the length which is not a real concern with my set up.
Found this info from the government http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/2213.htm
chris
Found this info from the government http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/2213.htm
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I was aware of length and provinces but how do you know if you a legal weight wise, am I over being I have probably 7-8000kg behind me loaded? I'll phone the local Transportation cops to find out about the axles, the first time I heard it was from the hitch seller so I don't know the truth to it.
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As for towing doubles in BC:
My brother used to get through the loophole when his pickup was licensed as a commercial vehicle and he was over 11000 GVW. After he got stopped a couple times, reports must have gone in that they had the loophole and they closed it on him. Not much the DOT's could do when my brother presented their own regulations to the inspectors - they would have lost in court, so he never even got a ticket. I cannot remember what year they closed the loophole.
The following is from BC CVSE Bulletin 6 (pg 27)
"45. THREE VEHICLE RECREATIONAL COMBINATIONS
According to a 1989 technical study on the dynamic behaviour of recreational doubles conducted by the University of Michigan, Transportation Research Institute (UMTRI), dynamic stability of the recreational doubles is very sensitive to overall combination vehicle length (not recommended to exceed 59 ft.), the amount of rear overhang of the first trailer, and speed. Observations indicate that in slow speed manoeuvres, they are difficult to turn, exhibit poor tracking, and extremely difficult to back up.
Stakeholders such as the BC Automobile Associate and the BC Trucking Association agree that these combinations possess known vehicle dynamic deficiencies and appear to create an incremental road safety risk.
To minimize the safety risk on our highways, ICBC does not permit the operation of these recreational combinations. The three-vehicle combination consisting of a ¾ ton truck, a fifth wheel trailer plus another trailer (i.e. boat or utility trailer) towed behind the fifth wheel trailer is not a legal combination on British Columbia highways. The explanation is as follows:
1. Under the Commercial Transport Act a “commercial vehicle” includes a motor vehicle having permanently attached to it a truck or delivery body. The ¾ ton truck is a commercial vehicle.
2. Within the Commercial Transport Act Regulations, Division 7.31(2)(c) does not allow the operation of a three-vehicle combination of vehicles unless the gross vehicle weight exceeds 11 000 kg. These lighter 3 vehicle combinations normally do not exceed 11 000 kg and are not permitted to operate on British Columbia highways.
3. Also, within the Commercial Transport Act Regulations, Division 7.13(2)(f) does not allow the operation of a three-vehicle combination consisting of a truck and two trailers. The three-vehicle combination consisting of a truck and two trailers. The three-vehicle combination consisting of a passenger vehicle and two trailers is also not a legal combination on British Columbia highways in unorganized territory or on an arterial highway in a municipality. Division 19.02(3)(a) and Division 19.01(2) of the Motor Vehicle Act Regulations refers. The three-vehicle combination of a truck tractor, fifth wheel recreational trailer plus another trailer towed behind the fifth wheel trailer is also not legal even if the gross vehicle weight exceeds 11 000 kg. This combination is not recognized under the Commercial Transport Act Regulations and even if the trailers were licensed with commercial plates, this combination including a semi-trailer and pony trailer would be disallowed under CTAR 7.14(5)(g).
All of the above three-vehicle combinations are illegal and no special permits are available for their operation on British Columbia highways."
"45. THREE VEHICLE RECREATIONAL COMBINATIONS
According to a 1989 technical study on the dynamic behaviour of recreational doubles conducted by the University of Michigan, Transportation Research Institute (UMTRI), dynamic stability of the recreational doubles is very sensitive to overall combination vehicle length (not recommended to exceed 59 ft.), the amount of rear overhang of the first trailer, and speed. Observations indicate that in slow speed manoeuvres, they are difficult to turn, exhibit poor tracking, and extremely difficult to back up.
Stakeholders such as the BC Automobile Associate and the BC Trucking Association agree that these combinations possess known vehicle dynamic deficiencies and appear to create an incremental road safety risk.
To minimize the safety risk on our highways, ICBC does not permit the operation of these recreational combinations. The three-vehicle combination consisting of a ¾ ton truck, a fifth wheel trailer plus another trailer (i.e. boat or utility trailer) towed behind the fifth wheel trailer is not a legal combination on British Columbia highways. The explanation is as follows:
1. Under the Commercial Transport Act a “commercial vehicle” includes a motor vehicle having permanently attached to it a truck or delivery body. The ¾ ton truck is a commercial vehicle.
2. Within the Commercial Transport Act Regulations, Division 7.31(2)(c) does not allow the operation of a three-vehicle combination of vehicles unless the gross vehicle weight exceeds 11 000 kg. These lighter 3 vehicle combinations normally do not exceed 11 000 kg and are not permitted to operate on British Columbia highways.
3. Also, within the Commercial Transport Act Regulations, Division 7.13(2)(f) does not allow the operation of a three-vehicle combination consisting of a truck and two trailers. The three-vehicle combination consisting of a truck and two trailers. The three-vehicle combination consisting of a passenger vehicle and two trailers is also not a legal combination on British Columbia highways in unorganized territory or on an arterial highway in a municipality. Division 19.02(3)(a) and Division 19.01(2) of the Motor Vehicle Act Regulations refers. The three-vehicle combination of a truck tractor, fifth wheel recreational trailer plus another trailer towed behind the fifth wheel trailer is also not legal even if the gross vehicle weight exceeds 11 000 kg. This combination is not recognized under the Commercial Transport Act Regulations and even if the trailers were licensed with commercial plates, this combination including a semi-trailer and pony trailer would be disallowed under CTAR 7.14(5)(g).
All of the above three-vehicle combinations are illegal and no special permits are available for their operation on British Columbia highways."
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as for weight, it is all dependant on the gcvw of your truck. I belive this number is in your door, you take the dry weight of your truck, trailer and second trailer. Add them all up, this must be equal or lessor value of that number. But that being said, I have never ever seen anyone ever get weighed with a travel trailer. But it is definately 67 feet, not 65, which should give you the leeway for the extras.
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As for towing doubles in BC:
My brother used to get through the loophole when his pickup was licensed as a commercial vehicle and he was over 11000 GVW. After he got stopped a couple times, reports must have gone in that they had the loophole and they closed it on him. Not much the DOT's could do when my brother presented their own regulations to the inspectors - they would have lost in court, so he never even got a ticket. I cannot remember what year they closed the loophole.
My brother used to get through the loophole when his pickup was licensed as a commercial vehicle and he was over 11000 GVW. After he got stopped a couple times, reports must have gone in that they had the loophole and they closed it on him. Not much the DOT's could do when my brother presented their own regulations to the inspectors - they would have lost in court, so he never even got a ticket. I cannot remember what year they closed the loophole.
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I talked to a DOT guy today and he said he has never heard of the amount of axles issue. he did say the only thing he watches for is a single infront of a double but he has said he only saw that in sakatchewan...go figure I asked him if the double axle was a flat bed with a truck camper strapped to it that never seems to amaze me when I see that and its at least twice a year
OK for the guys with hitches any recommendations for ease of hooking up?
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that never seems to amaze me when I see that and its at least twice a yearOK for the guys with hitches any recommendations for ease of hooking up?
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ok ran out and checked the GCWR for my truck is 20,000lbs I have no where near that loaded I would guess I am in the 15-16,000 lb range being the boat is 2800kg dry and the trailer is 3800 kg dry even with food camp stuff, boat stuff etc I should be well under. My hitch is a 16000lb hitch as well so I am good there as well.
Looks like I am good to go.... the guys that tow two do they tow ok and backing into the second trailer do you have a swivel hitch so as to not have to back up 30 times to get it exactly under the ball, I can't lift the front of my boat trailer so that isn't a option for me
Thanks guys
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Looks like I am good to go.... the guys that tow two do they tow ok and backing into the second trailer do you have a swivel hitch so as to not have to back up 30 times to get it exactly under the ball, I can't lift the front of my boat trailer so that isn't a option for me
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they pull nice, but they dont back up worth ****. The only way is to unhook the back one, then back up the trailer, then hook up the second and back it up. I really thought at first that they would back up like a super b,, but no luck
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ok ran out and checked the GCWR for my truck is 20,000lbs I have no where near that loaded I would guess I am in the 15-16,000 lb range being the boat is 2800kg dry and the trailer is 3800 kg dry even with food camp stuff, boat stuff etc I should be well under. My hitch is a 16000lb hitch as well so I am good there as well.
Looks like I am good to go.... the guys that tow two do they tow ok and backing into the second trailer do you have a swivel hitch so as to not have to back up 30 times to get it exactly under the ball, I can't lift the front of my boat trailer so that isn't a option for me
Thanks guys
Jason
Looks like I am good to go.... the guys that tow two do they tow ok and backing into the second trailer do you have a swivel hitch so as to not have to back up 30 times to get it exactly under the ball, I can't lift the front of my boat trailer so that isn't a option for me
Thanks guys
Jason
Your combination comes in at 21,320 lbs
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It isn't Tate. Not if it is registered to an individual. However, any vehicle, car or truck is, if it is registered under a company name. BC = "Bring Cash" or "Bountifully Communist".
All the hot shotters and anyone running a one ton registered to a business are unhappy as well because as of Jan 1, they are supposed to be running a log book in Alberta. Well, any province for that matter. New federal hours of service regulations came into force.
Even for me right now, just running from home to the plant on the city outskirts everyday for a total of ~50km, I should be filling out a log sheet because the company truck is an F350.
If it was an F250, I wouldn't have to because the GVWR isn't high enough.
It's all messed up!!!! You need to be a freakin' lawyer to keep it all straight.
Very true, but it can be done. You'd be surprised what you can back out of when you don't have a choice though - the farther back the axles are on the lead trailer, the easier it is as the "swing" isn't as pronounced.
All the hot shotters and anyone running a one ton registered to a business are unhappy as well because as of Jan 1, they are supposed to be running a log book in Alberta. Well, any province for that matter. New federal hours of service regulations came into force.
Even for me right now, just running from home to the plant on the city outskirts everyday for a total of ~50km, I should be filling out a log sheet because the company truck is an F350.
If it was an F250, I wouldn't have to because the GVWR isn't high enough.It's all messed up!!!! You need to be a freakin' lawyer to keep it all straight.
they pull nice, but they dont back up worth ****. The only way is to unhook the back one, then back up the trailer, then hook up the second and back it up. I really thought at first that they would back up like a super b,, but no luck
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Andy I assume the GCWR includes the truck then? if so I guess I am back to square one...
I wonder how guys get those massive 5er around I saw one today it must ahve been close to 35 feet and had 3 slides and it was a toy hauler as well. There must be guys over the 20k all over the place.
Maybe I'll just put a farmer license plate (read orange triangle) on and giver....