Advice on buying 2012 H.O.
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Advice on buying 2012 H.O.
Hello, I posted this on non-drivetrain by mistake, so here goes. I really want to buy a new truck. I have a 2006 Ram 2500ST, with the Cummins, G56, A/C and Cruise. Its been an awesome truck for what I use it for, Landscaping, Snowplowing, Hunting and Fishing. I tow a 3500lb trailer with it(I know its not much) to mow grass. I drive it a few miles to first lawn and shut it off. Drive another mile or two and shut it off. And so on.
My question is: Would this kind of use be ok for new 2012 with all emissions crap? I really want new truck with, god forbid, Power Windows and Locks. Heated Mirrors and other goodies. I just don't think I work it hard enough to keep emissions clean. I'm afraid I'll be having issues. On the other hand, I'd hate to step down to a HEMI, but maybe that is what I need to do for my applications. Advice please.
My question is: Would this kind of use be ok for new 2012 with all emissions crap? I really want new truck with, god forbid, Power Windows and Locks. Heated Mirrors and other goodies. I just don't think I work it hard enough to keep emissions clean. I'm afraid I'll be having issues. On the other hand, I'd hate to step down to a HEMI, but maybe that is what I need to do for my applications. Advice please.
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I do like the Power Wagon. I would think the fuel economy would be pretty bad though. I've been a big fan of the Cummins, just sucks that a new one probably won't be in the cards for my use without emissions delete. Thanks for your reply.
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Hello, I posted this on non-drivetrain by mistake, so here goes. I really want to buy a new truck. I have a 2006 Ram 2500ST, with the Cummins, G56, A/C and Cruise. Its been an awesome truck for what I use it for, Landscaping, Snowplowing, Hunting and Fishing. I tow a 3500lb trailer with it(I know its not much) to mow grass. I drive it a few miles to first lawn and shut it off. Drive another mile or two and shut it off. And so on.
My question is: Would this kind of use be ok for new 2012 with all emissions crap? I really want new truck with, god forbid, Power Windows and Locks. Heated Mirrors and other goodies. I just don't think I work it hard enough to keep emissions clean. I'm afraid I'll be having issues. On the other hand, I'd hate to step down to a HEMI, but maybe that is what I need to do for my applications. Advice please.
My question is: Would this kind of use be ok for new 2012 with all emissions crap? I really want new truck with, god forbid, Power Windows and Locks. Heated Mirrors and other goodies. I just don't think I work it hard enough to keep emissions clean. I'm afraid I'll be having issues. On the other hand, I'd hate to step down to a HEMI, but maybe that is what I need to do for my applications. Advice please.
Personally, I wouldn't do it. If you intend to use that 4th Gen as you describe, I think you are going to have alot of issues with the soot buildup in that engine. Time has shown that short trips like that often cause more soot buildup in the emissions systems than long highway trips etc.
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Hello, I posted this on non-drivetrain by mistake, so here goes. I really want to buy a new truck. I have a 2006 Ram 2500ST, with the Cummins, G56, A/C and Cruise. Its been an awesome truck for what I use it for, Landscaping, Snowplowing, Hunting and Fishing. I tow a 3500lb trailer with it(I know its not much) to mow grass. I drive it a few miles to first lawn and shut it off. Drive another mile or two and shut it off. And so on.
My question is: Would this kind of use be ok for new 2012 with all emissions crap? I really want new truck with, god forbid, Power Windows and Locks. Heated Mirrors and other goodies. I just don't think I work it hard enough to keep emissions clean. I'm afraid I'll be having issues. On the other hand, I'd hate to step down to a HEMI, but maybe that is what I need to do for my applications. Advice please.
My question is: Would this kind of use be ok for new 2012 with all emissions crap? I really want new truck with, god forbid, Power Windows and Locks. Heated Mirrors and other goodies. I just don't think I work it hard enough to keep emissions clean. I'm afraid I'll be having issues. On the other hand, I'd hate to step down to a HEMI, but maybe that is what I need to do for my applications. Advice please.
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I think you are going to have alot of issues with the soot buildup in that engine. Time has shown that short trips like that often cause more soot buildup in the emissions systems than long highway trips etc
During the winter I'd use the truck solely as unloaded transportation, essentially 30 miles a day on the freeway. When the weather allows I start riding the motorcycle again and the truck becomes an RV or back up transportation.
So I never will ever pull 12K lbs but would like to get another diesel to replace the 92 F250 I’ve had for nearly 20 years. Deletes are out of the question cause my county smogs diesels, should’ve never left Alaska…
What do you guys think? Would a 30 mile interval be enough to keep things clean?
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This issue is one I’ currently pondering as well. I've read these 4th generation vehicles need to be worked otherwise they soot up. Always wanted a Cummins and would really like to get a dually this time for my current cab over camper setup (approx 3000lb in the bed).
During the winter I'd use the truck solely as unloaded transportation, essentially 30 miles a day on the freeway. When the weather allows I start riding the motorcycle again and the truck becomes an RV or back up transportation.
So I never will ever pull 12K lbs but would like to get another diesel to replace the 92 F250 I’ve had for nearly 20 years. Deletes are out of the question cause my county smogs diesels, should’ve never left Alaska…
What do you guys think? Would a 30 mile interval be enough to keep things clean?
During the winter I'd use the truck solely as unloaded transportation, essentially 30 miles a day on the freeway. When the weather allows I start riding the motorcycle again and the truck becomes an RV or back up transportation.
So I never will ever pull 12K lbs but would like to get another diesel to replace the 92 F250 I’ve had for nearly 20 years. Deletes are out of the question cause my county smogs diesels, should’ve never left Alaska…
What do you guys think? Would a 30 mile interval be enough to keep things clean?
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Welcome to the website Sir!
No, IMHO, short 30 mile trips are not going to be enough to keep that DPF and emissions system cleaned out enough. The short daily driver 4th Gens around here are having constant CEL lights coming on showing that the DPF and emissions system is full or close to full. But if the soot builds up enough to shut the truck down or cause turbo problems you have the factory warranty to cover that.
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Thanks for the welcome!
Yeah it appears I waited too long for my dream truck. I had to finish putting my daughter through college so as a treat to me this next summer would be the timeframe.
I may end up getting a gas duelly but want a manual trans. Guess I'll have to visit Ford and see what I can come up with. Sure not looking forward to gasser mileage on a duelly. Their Powerstroke is out of the question as I'm tired of glow plugs, and I dont like the idea of having to lift off the cab to do any engine work, which is what I hear on the streets.
Thanks again
Bmcush
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Yeah it appears I waited too long for my dream truck. I had to finish putting my daughter through college so as a treat to me this next summer would be the timeframe.
I may end up getting a gas duelly but want a manual trans. Guess I'll have to visit Ford and see what I can come up with. Sure not looking forward to gasser mileage on a duelly. Their Powerstroke is out of the question as I'm tired of glow plugs, and I dont like the idea of having to lift off the cab to do any engine work, which is what I hear on the streets.
Thanks again
Bmcush
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Yeah if getting a Ford I'd look at the gasser. I hear they are pretty good, seems like most of the fleet buyers around the city are buying their gassers in the heavy duty trucks.
The cummins is cool though and I think it is the only truck you'll be able to get a manual in.
If you get a 3500 ram I think you can only get it in diesel unless you get the cab and chasis model...
The cummins is cool though and I think it is the only truck you'll be able to get a manual in.
If you get a 3500 ram I think you can only get it in diesel unless you get the cab and chasis model...
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Bmcush:
Welcome to the website Sir!
No, IMHO, short 30 mile trips are not going to be enough to keep that DPF and emissions system cleaned out enough. The short daily driver 4th Gens around here are having constant CEL lights coming on showing that the DPF and emissions system is full or close to full. But if the soot builds up enough to shut the truck down or cause turbo problems you have the factory warranty to cover that.
Bmcush:
Welcome to the website Sir!
No, IMHO, short 30 mile trips are not going to be enough to keep that DPF and emissions system cleaned out enough. The short daily driver 4th Gens around here are having constant CEL lights coming on showing that the DPF and emissions system is full or close to full. But if the soot builds up enough to shut the truck down or cause turbo problems you have the factory warranty to cover that.
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30 mile trips should be great for keeping her clean. Along with a few harder weekend trips, I wouldn't think that would be a problem at all. Most of the problems I am hearing are the around town grocery getters and excessive idling. Not sure where John gets his info, don't believe he even owns one.
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30 mile trips should be great for keeping her clean. Along with a few harder weekend trips, I wouldn't think that would be a problem at all. Most of the problems I am hearing are the around town grocery getters and excessive idling. Not sure where John gets his info, don't believe he even owns one.
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Hey fouts, I don't appreciate your sarcastic reply!
For your information, I don't need to own one of these trucks to know that short trips are causing problems with the EGR/DPF Emission systems on thse new 6.7 Dodge Diesel Pickups! We have a fairly large group of guys in our local diesel group here and many of these are driving these new 4th Gen Dodge 6.7 Diesel Trucks and they are having problems with soot buildup!
Some of my buddies are doing exactly what the OP (Grizzly) asked about, that being, the short 20-30 miles trips. Now, with that being said if you drive the truck hard like tcr said, that will help, but my dealership is still seeng them come in with the EGR system full and the turbos sooted up. One guy in our group runs a wrecker service and his 2011 is sitting at the dealership right now needing a new turbo due to excessive soot buildup AFTER he returned from picking up a stalled car. He said the CEL light came on, the truck started losing power, and eventually died! That was right after a 25 mile trip and the truck only has 25,000 miles on it!
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I have a 2010 2500, 4x4, cummins with the manual trans and transfer case, completely stock. It's my daily driver, most trips are 5 miles or less.
I always run with the exhaust break on. I have 30,000 miles and no problems.
My biggest complaint is that because I wanted the manual transfer case I had to order an ST model and could not get power windows or door locks.
I always run with the exhaust break on. I have 30,000 miles and no problems.
My biggest complaint is that because I wanted the manual transfer case I had to order an ST model and could not get power windows or door locks.
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Hey Guys!
I do very much appreciate the feedback!
I was thinking, to combat the sooting issue could the injectors and/or feedpump be turned down to lessen the fuel delivery to the engine? I know when my truck blows smoke thats what they do but off course its the old mechanical injection. I'd be willing to live with a little less horsepower.
My truck puts out 105hp at the wheels and I live at 6500 ft (Colorado Springs) and its an auto so anything above that is an improvement I suppose
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I do very much appreciate the feedback!
I was thinking, to combat the sooting issue could the injectors and/or feedpump be turned down to lessen the fuel delivery to the engine? I know when my truck blows smoke thats what they do but off course its the old mechanical injection. I'd be willing to live with a little less horsepower.
My truck puts out 105hp at the wheels and I live at 6500 ft (Colorado Springs) and its an auto so anything above that is an improvement I suppose
Bill
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I do not believe you can turn down these injectors on these trucks.
John, I have seen you badmouth these trucks on other posts and I believe if you actually owned one you may have a different opinion. I own a 2010 4x4 crew and use it as my daily driver, I have about 24,000 miles on mine and have had no issues. This is the best truck I have ever owned including many Fords and a couple of Chevys. I have also noticed that most people on this forum who actually own these trucks really like them as well.
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John, I have seen you badmouth these trucks on other posts and I believe if you actually owned one you may have a different opinion. I own a 2010 4x4 crew and use it as my daily driver, I have about 24,000 miles on mine and have had no issues. This is the best truck I have ever owned including many Fords and a couple of Chevys. I have also noticed that most people on this forum who actually own these trucks really like them as well.
Marc