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New tires= No more DEATH WOBBLE

Old Jul 21, 2007 | 10:13 AM
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Talking New tires= No more DEATH WOBBLE

Well after getting the shakes real bad and getting worse every day, I am happy to say not any more. My BFG 315's were about due to be replaced but I was trying to stretch it out until the fall but I couldn't drive down certain roads anymore over 55mph. So I decided after much research to start with the tires even though it is probably time to replace those stock shocks and stabilizer with 108k miles.

I went with Nitto Terra Grapplers 305/70/17. Very happy with the tires so far. One trip on the beach the other night. Aired down to 30lbs. and they performed pretty well. A little bit of tire noise on the highway but not bad. Truck is stock so it will be interseting to see how many miles I will get out of them. I plan on not beating on them too much and rotating every 5000 miles.

If Death Wobble is a problem for you, take a good look at those tires as I beleive that the BFG's definately contribute to this problem. It might not be a cure all but something to consider.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 12:59 PM
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108k yeah I think your due for new shocks. I've been reading that BFG's are bad under these trucks, I've been running 35 BFG muds under my F350 for the past 10 yrs and never had any problem with any set. I guess I gotta look at another brand after I put my leveling kit in. I also noticed that many guys with death wobble problems also state that they had bad cupping on the front tires, I believe frequent tire rotations will help minimize this.... anyone agree.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 01:00 PM
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I have the Nitto TG larger and like them alot thus far with 7754 miles. I also tow a 5th wheel 30' no problems at all.

Good luck
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 03:27 PM
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Striper, did you get the truck aligned after the new tires??
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 07:41 PM
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I thought the same thing...
But after 25000 miles, the DW is starting up again.
Bottom line, **** poor design, no customer support and people will need to be hurt or killed before DC steps up to the plate.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RollOver Pete
I thought the same thing...
But after 25000 miles, the DW is starting up again.
Bottom line, **** poor design, no customer support and people will need to be hurt or killed before DC steps up to the plate.
List the things you've done to solve it before you call it a poor design. Keep EDITing about it and you'll end up with an IFS ala chevy in 09.

Also list the components in your front suspension and alignment specs . A tire shop probably threw some coil spacers in there and now you're having problems.



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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe T
List the things you've done to solve it before you call it a poor design. Keep EDITing about it and you'll end up with an IFS ala chevy in 09.

Also list the components in your front suspension and alignment specs . A tire shop probably threw some coil spacers in there and now you're having problems.



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Not taking sides here by any means, but with as MANY death wobble cases as there are out there, why should it be ANY of OUR places to try and solve systematic failures of the suspensions on our $50,000 trucks? I agree, when you sell say 25,000 heavy duty trucks in a year and say 3,000 of them are experiencing failing/improperly designed/impropery installed suspension components leading to death wobble that can ultimately KILL somebody or MANY people, I become a little concerned as well.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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There is a simple solution to this.... Don't mod your truck and if you do do it right. I'm not taking sides either, but geez, some people throw mods at them, don't maintain them, put the wrong tires on them, don't torque bolts down correctly or re-check them after getting some miles on them etc... Then complain when stuff starts working wrong.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe T
There is a simple solution to this.... Don't mod your truck and if you do do it right. I'm not taking sides either, but geez, some people throw mods at them, don't maintain them, put the wrong tires on them, don't torque bolts down correctly or re-check them after getting some miles on them etc... Then complain when stuff starts working wrong.
I understand what you're saying man...but can I ask you something?

What made YOU go aftermarket, if you don't mind my asking? Because RolloverPete is upset with the STOCK suspension, if I am reading correctly (I wouldn't think that just a spacer would cause any sort of problems...I mean, it's just a block).
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:49 PM
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I'm running 35's and if I have deathwobble I'm almost certain I know how to fix it. If I can't I'll be back to 265's and stock front end quickly.

RolloverPete isn't on stock suspension. I'm curious as to what he has before he libles the stock prodcut.

Find me ample examples of stock frontends and factory sized (edit, and E rated) tires be it 265 or 285...... That are properly maintained that have death wobble and I'll join in on slandering the product.

This is one of the last live front axle trucks available and they've designed them to avoid death wobble.. It isn't a bad design IMO. It's poorly thought out mods and maintenance causing the problems.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe T
I'm running 35's and if I have deathwobble I'm almost certain I know how to fix it. If I can't I'll be back to 265's and stock front end quickly.

RolloverPete isn't on stock suspension. I'm curious as to what he has before he libles the stock prodcut.

Find me examples of stock frontends and factory sized tires be it 265 or 285...... That are properly maintained that have death wobble and I'll join in on slandering the product.

This is one of the last live front axle trucks available and they've designed them to avoid death wobble.. It isn't a bad design IMO. It's poorly thought out mods and maintenance causing the problems.
I have yet to experience death wobble...but with stock EVERYTHING suspension wise on BFG 265/70/17s today, I got out in the sand and could NOT avoid all four wheel-hop...I don't know if you have read my thread in the Offroad section "Whoa!" yet, but I would like to think that my suspension could sustain itself a little better than it did today(even though, thank GOD nothing broke). Be it too stiff, or too sloppy, whichever it was (I don't know MUCH about suspension), but rather than just spin and dig itself out, it hopped around violently no matter how much throttle I gave it, no matter if I was in 4wheel hi or low and I personally think that it's unsatifactory...perhaps you can point me in the right direction with better aftermarket suspension components while keeping the stock ride height (I will be towing OFTEN soon and don't need/want a jacked up truck), I would be very greatful
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 09:03 PM
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Maybe you should first look at properly valved shocks for your terrain. That would be my first advice before even taking it to the desert. Link me to your thread though.

Remember these aren't jeeps or tacomas they are big heavy duty trucks that cost 40K+ that are made for towing. You're paying for the towing ability not offroad prowess.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 09:04 PM
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Also... you probably won't develop "death wobble" because your truck is stock and nothing should be worn out yet... You say it as if you're expecting it to happen at any time .
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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HOBrian,
Yes I got the truck aligned after the tires. He said it was right on. I have to agree with him because it always drove straight and the tires could not have worn more evenly.
My truck has a stock suspension with no leveling kit. One of the first thing many of the people I spoke to about death wobble asked me was if I had the leveling kit.
I know that the tires are not a cure all to DW but it is one thing that can cause this condition.
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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe T
Maybe you should first look at properly valved shocks for your terrain. That would be my first advice before even taking it to the desert. Link me to your thread though.

Remember these aren't jeeps or tacomas they are big heavy duty trucks that cost 40K+ that are made for towing. You're paying for the towing ability not offroad prowess.
I bought the Sport package so that I could tow AND do a little offroading (it will be necessary on my farm back home...and to be HONEST, I did better offroad today than the guy in the '91 Jeep Wrangler.

I don't think, nor am I scared that I am going to experience death wobble soon (although I DO hope that it doesn't happen), but after the display that my stock suspension offered up today, I WILL be looking into new shocks...I appreciate your advice. I'm not here to argue...honest...just to learn, share experience and maybe help other folks out any way I can.
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