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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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what to stack with smarty?

I have an 06 QC 4x4, with a smarty that is awesome. I am looking at stacking it with the quad race box and monitor, or tst power max cr. at 1st I thought the power max cr sounded the best but now I have been hearing of it getting hot and making the engine shake like crazy. Is the quad a good module for this? any input is nice.



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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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I have an 06 QC 4x4, with a smarty that is bad. I am looking at stacking it with the quad race box and monitor, or tst power max cr. at 1st I thought the power max cr sounded the best but now I have been hearing of it getting hot and making the engine shake like crazy. Is the quad a good module for this? any input is nice.



06 Qc 4x4 sb, smarty, 5 inch turbo back, high ram, cold air intake, banks intercooler.
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I have the new TST PM 3 CR with the R-49 and have it "stacked" with the "Wild Smarty Programmer." I have NEVER had any problems with the TST module and I have also never heard or had my truck "shake like crazy" as you said??? My best settings with the TST and the Smarty have been to put the TST on level 2/1 or 3/1 and the Smarty on level #8. With the way my truck is now set-up, I dynoed at 534 H.P. and the truck will run consistent 13.1-13.2's at 104-105 MPH all day long. I see a max EGT of around 1450-1500 on the drag strip in hot weather (90+ degrees) and hardly ever see over 1350 on any dyno run I have done.

The truck is very responsive, has excellent bottom end power and also good midrange kick.

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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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thanks for the input, I am lookin at both the power max and quad. still not sure what to go with but both sound really good. I will have a turbo and trans upgrades coming soon, cuz the stock stuff i know, cant handle it.
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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The mp-8 seems to work very well with smarty also.
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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thanks for the input, I am lookin at both the power max and quad. still not sure what to go with but both sound really good. I will have a turbo and trans upgrades coming soon, cuz the stock stuff i know, cant handle it.
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No problem, good luck on whatever you decide.

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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mm73
I have an 06 QC 4x4, with a smarty that is awesome. I am looking at stacking it with the quad race box and monitor, or tst power max cr. at 1st I thought the power max cr sounded the best but now I have been hearing of it getting hot and making the engine shake like crazy. Is the quad a good module for this? any input is nice.



06 Qc 4x4 sb, smarty, 5 inch turbo back, high ram, cold air intake, banks intercooler.
Just a head up the smarty alone is a beast and it stacked with a TST makes it a monster. I would advise a lift pump upgrade and a some tranny upgrades, VB and TC at least.
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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drag comp stack rules
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 09:11 AM
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Don't run a TST if your truck is an '06.5+. They've been known to melt pistons and stuff on the later trucks.
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
Don't run a TST if your truck is an '06.5+. They've been known to melt pistons and stuff on the later trucks.
What he said..... I like the mp-8... But my tranny not so much!!!!
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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dont worry, I know that no matter what I do I will need to upgrade my tranny, and that is coming very soon also. My truck is an 06 but I bought it in dec of 05 it was one of the first ones he dealership had. I hope that is a good thing. Anyway, when I heard the tst was getting hot in the summer time and causing trouble, it was just making the truck run rough, but in most cases tst would fix the problem if contacted. I have ran the quad before when I first got the truck and I liked it a lot but wanted more. I then got a smarty and sold my quad, but at the time I didnt know a thing about stacking or anything like that and now thanks to talking to all of you great people I know a lot more about stacking and all kinds of stuff. I just want to make sure i do it right the first time now. Thanks for any input
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 10:46 PM
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ive ran the tst with the smarty and it works ok. I need to get a new program for my tst because the one i have now just drains the rail on higher levels. they do work fairly well together. I bought a diablo power puck that im running with my smarty and it does pretty good also.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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TST, FASS 150, SPS66, great combo if you ask me. Throw your smarty in there and you've got some serious power and heat. Thats where the turbo comes in.
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jrussell
Don't run a TST if your truck is an '06.5+. They've been known to melt pistons and stuff on the later trucks.
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I respect your input and knowledge here on the website! However, I am wondering where your statement comes from?? I have a 06.5' with the 5.9 Cummins and it has a little over 21,000 miles now and I haven't had ANY of those problems you described above (i.e.: melted pistons and stuff????)
I run the truck pretty hard, towing heavy, drag racing etc. and so far, so good. If there are those type of problems I certainly haven't heard of them.
Now, I am only "mildly" modified, having the TST PM 3 stacked with the Wild Smarty Programmer, a Schwitzer 62/12 Turbo and a full billet ATS Tranny.

I do know that alot of the guys above 700-750 H.P. are having issues with the headgaskets and the cylinder heads (valve seats etc.) and some with pistons due to what I consider "pure abuse", but in the 500-600 H.P. level IMHO, the 06.5's seem pretty reliable as long as you watch your EGT's and don't abuse the truck.

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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:30 AM
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jrussell:

I respect your input and knowledge here on the website! However, I am wondering where your statement comes from?? I have a 06.5' with the 5.9 Cummins and it has a little over 21,000 miles now and I haven't had ANY of those problems you described above (i.e.: melted pistons and stuff????)
I run the truck pretty hard, towing heavy, drag racing etc. and so far, so good. If there are those type of problems I certainly haven't heard of them.
Now, I am only "mildly" modified, having the TST PM 3 stacked with the Wild Smarty Programmer, a Schwitzer 62/12 Turbo and a full billet ATS Tranny.

I do know that alot of the guys above 700-750 H.P. are having issues with the headgaskets and the cylinder heads (valve seats etc.) and some with pistons due to what I consider "pure abuse", but in the 500-600 H.P. level IMHO, the 06.5's seem pretty reliable as long as you watch your EGT's and don't abuse the truck.

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Hey John I believe this come from the makers of the modules themselves (TST, etc) on trucks manufactured after 6/06 and it comes from TST testing their module on the 2/0 setting. Look at the top of TST's home page below their banner: http://www.tstproducts.com/
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 09:35 AM
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jrussell:

I respect your input and knowledge here on the website! However, I am wondering where your statement comes from?? I have a 06.5' with the 5.9 Cummins and it has a little over 21,000 miles now and I haven't had ANY of those problems you described above (i.e.: melted pistons and stuff????)
I run the truck pretty hard, towing heavy, drag racing etc. and so far, so good. If there are those type of problems I certainly haven't heard of them.
Now, I am only "mildly" modified, having the TST PM 3 stacked with the Wild Smarty Programmer, a Schwitzer 62/12 Turbo and a full billet ATS Tranny.

I do know that alot of the guys above 700-750 H.P. are having issues with the headgaskets and the cylinder heads (valve seats etc.) and some with pistons due to what I consider "pure abuse", but in the 500-600 H.P. level IMHO, the 06.5's seem pretty reliable as long as you watch your EGT's and don't abuse the truck.

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John,

Thanks for posting this. It's great to hear that someone with an '06.5 is having good luck with the TST!

Have you talked to TST yet about running it on your truck? I've been told they will no longer sell the boxes for '06.5+ until the issue is resolved. AFAIK the "melting pistons and stuff" comes directly from TST themselves. I think they've also asked existing '06.5+ customers to remove the box or only run it on very low levels.

Do you know the manufacturing date of your truck by any chance? What about the date on the ECM sticker? I'm thinking about going as far as swapping ECM's just to have the ability to run a TST or C5.
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