Triple DisK TQ Converters...Any cons?
I'm guessing i'm in the low to mid 400hp range, so i'm not beating my trans to death...but it'll hold a smarty 4.4 level 9 15psi 4x4 boosted launch with out slipping or issues....i'm very happy with the trans for what i need it for.
I used to believe a single was sufficient for these trucks, period. I was a die hard defender of single disc converters. For anyone that doubts that, a search of my user name on TDR or DTR will bring up some threads where it's pretty easy to see where i used to stand on this topic.
But multiple, recent events i have experienced first hand (i.e. not a bunch of he said, she said) have lead me to believe a single disc will not last on a high hp truck. I know there are examples where they have, but in general i don't think they will last.
I was completely happy with my single disc in my last truck, which was running 11.70 - 11.90 1/4's consistently. But since that time i have witnessed an alarming number of single discs fail. Maybe it's just that quality is down???
Anyway, I went with a triple this time around, and am happy with my decision.
Just my opinion,
Chris
But multiple, recent events i have experienced first hand (i.e. not a bunch of he said, she said) have lead me to believe a single disc will not last on a high hp truck. I know there are examples where they have, but in general i don't think they will last.
I was completely happy with my single disc in my last truck, which was running 11.70 - 11.90 1/4's consistently. But since that time i have witnessed an alarming number of single discs fail. Maybe it's just that quality is down???
Anyway, I went with a triple this time around, and am happy with my decision.
Just my opinion,
Chris
I see you have a DTT trans. Did you put in a DTT Triple, or some other brand converter?
How is it for daily driving? Thanks for your help.
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I went with a different brand transmission this time around. I don't have anywhere near enough miles on it to offer any real feedback, but initial impressions are very good. I plan on giving it a real workout in the near future, i will report back then.
Chris
Chris
The debate over single vs. triple has been waging for years..... But with the increase in HP that we have seen over the last couple of years the triple is winning the battle. You ask about cons in running one, more weight. So when running a triple I would ensure I run a good aftermarket flexplate. Also a billet input shaft is really a must as well.
I was a die hard single man for years, just look at posts over the years. I had a DTT single that worked without any issues for years at over 900 RWHP! But just like Chris I too am going with a triple this round. The increased surface area, CR HP/TQ, and better TQ design now lead me to believe this is the best choice for me. I do believe the single still has its place but I think guys who are looking to push 500+ RWHP should consider making things as bullet proof as possible!
Doug
I was a die hard single man for years, just look at posts over the years. I had a DTT single that worked without any issues for years at over 900 RWHP! But just like Chris I too am going with a triple this round. The increased surface area, CR HP/TQ, and better TQ design now lead me to believe this is the best choice for me. I do believe the single still has its place but I think guys who are looking to push 500+ RWHP should consider making things as bullet proof as possible!
Doug
Doug, My observation is that the singles aren't holding near what they used to hold. That makes me think quality must be down.
Check out post 16 in this thread. 2nd gen with stock turbo. So maybe 450rwhp max? I know of another truck first hand that is having major issues and is under 450rwhp.
I think somethings up... Either that, or everyone i know is unlucky. LOL
Chris
Check out post 16 in this thread. 2nd gen with stock turbo. So maybe 450rwhp max? I know of another truck first hand that is having major issues and is under 450rwhp.
I think somethings up... Either that, or everyone i know is unlucky. LOL
Chris
DTT does build triple disc converters. I am running one in my 04. It is a new stator design and is by far the best converter I have ever driven. It is a little looser than the old dtt,s but that is what I wanted with the size twins I am running. Like Chris said I need to use it more to see but so far I love it. Tim
Heykw, if your converter slipped from day one, you had a bad converter (happens) or something was wrong in the tranny. A single disc should have no problem with either the trucks in your sinature if the tranny is built for it. Tim
I think John_P hit the nail on the head. That old post by Bill was nothing more than a scare tactic. Maybe it wasn't really intentional though. I think he might of truly believed the singles he was building at the time were better than the "unproven" triples others were building.
Anyone know the actual weight difference between a billet single and billet triple disc? I'm sure the triple is heavier and will take away some amount of bottom end, but I'm not sure you could really tell.
Thanks Chris. I really appreciate your input as I go through this planning and make some final decisions.
FWIW....I plan to have a FULL rebuild, with Billet direct drum, all Billet Shafts, Billet or laminated Flexplate (whichever is better). I want this thing to do anything I want or ever will want.
The debate over single vs. triple has been waging for years..... But with the increase in HP that we have seen over the last couple of years the triple is winning the battle. You ask about cons in running one, more weight. So when running a triple I would ensure I run a good aftermarket flexplate. Also a billet input shaft is really a must as well.
I was a die hard single man for years, just look at posts over the years. I had a DTT single that worked without any issues for years at over 900 RWHP! But just like Chris I too am going with a triple this round. The increased surface area, CR HP/TQ, and better TQ design now lead me to believe this is the best choice for me. I do believe the single still has its place but I think guys who are looking to push 500+ RWHP should consider making things as bullet proof as possible!
Doug
I was a die hard single man for years, just look at posts over the years. I had a DTT single that worked without any issues for years at over 900 RWHP! But just like Chris I too am going with a triple this round. The increased surface area, CR HP/TQ, and better TQ design now lead me to believe this is the best choice for me. I do believe the single still has its place but I think guys who are looking to push 500+ RWHP should consider making things as bullet proof as possible!
Doug
Thanks Doug! I do want it as bullet proof as possible. So I take it you believe the triple disk is more "bullet proof" than a DTT "Super Single", even after pushing 900 HP on the single?
DTT does build triple disc converters. I am running one in my 04. It is a new stator design and is by far the best converter I have ever driven. It is a little looser than the old dtt,s but that is what I wanted with the size twins I am running. Like Chris said I need to use it more to see but so far I love it. Tim
Thanks Tim! Your opinion is very well respected here on DTR and specifically by me. If I lived in Virginia....I think you know who I would come see.
I knew DTT had a triple, but I can't find it on their website. Why are they so hush about it? Does DTT use a different valve body if you are running a triple vs. a single? What about the line pressures? Does your triple lock up real hard to the point that it is "jarring"? Do you have a suggestion for a flexplate? Did you just do input and output shafts, or intermediate too? Sorry for all the questions, but I know YOU will have the answers! Thanks a million if you don't mind.

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