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Old 01-29-2009, 12:01 PM
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Question Symptoms of blown Rail valve...

I have been having occasional long crank/hard starting for about a week. Ever since I installed my MP-8 I have had this issue, it doesnt do it all the time but usually first thinhg in the morning or after it has sat for more than 4hours...it takes 4-5sec longer to start and it acts like it wants to in the normal time frame but sputters out and takes a little more.

I have removed the MP-8 and returned my truck back to my original settings...but to no avail. I am wondering if I might have blown my rail valve 2 weeks ago on the dyno. I was running Smarty TNT/R on RP-3 and made a run with the MP-8 on 100%.

What are some ways to test for a blown valve???

I can still make and maintain excellent RP just seems that the system bleeds down over time.

I also have NO rough idle or white smoke...and not making any oil!
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Remove the return line off of the valve and see if fuel is dribbling out. If so it's bad.

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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
I have been having occasional long crank/hard starting for about a week. Ever since I installed my MP-8 I have had this issue, it doesnt do it all the time but usually first thinhg in the morning or after it has sat for more than 4hours...it takes 4-5sec longer to start and it acts like it wants to in the normal time frame but sputters out and takes a little more.

I have removed the MP-8 and returned my truck back to my original settings...but to no avail. I am wondering if I might have blown my rail valve 2 weeks ago on the dyno. I was running Smarty TNT/R on RP-3 and made a run with the MP-8 on 100%.

What are some ways to test for a blown valve???

I can still make and maintain excellent RP just seems that the system bleeds down over time.

I also have NO rough idle or white smoke...and not making any oil!
If you can still get good rail pressure I doubt it's the valve. In my case at least the truck became very doggish and lots of smoke when the valve went bad.
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careful though, i had symptoms of popped valve and pulled the return line to find it full of fuel. ended up being a false positive, had it tested and no leakage at all. guy at the shop said a little fuel can flow backwards through the return line and end up on top of relief valve....


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Remove the return line off of the valve and see if fuel is dribbling out. If so it's bad.

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when mine popped, i was going over a set of railroad tracks- felt like i'd pinned the pedal, but hadn't.... I looked back and there was a huge gout of black smoke in the road....

truck ran fine for the 12 miles back to the house. when i went to crank it, i had a long crank, followed by a smoky, not-all-cylinders-fueling-escalating-lumpy rise in engine rpm until i shut her down.

dealer said fuel rail had cracked.

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you might also consider the possibility of a weak valve. Sometimes they can seal back up, but bleed off pressure at a lower psi.

just block the darn thing off and be done with it.
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Originally Posted by jlibert
just block the darn thing off and be done with it.
I agree!!!! I have had no problem with mine blocked and its been about a year now with no ill effects.

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MP-8 on 100% with RP3 is no good...plug the valve!
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Going to plug it tomorrow...anyone have pics of the process???

Links to pics of the process???

Parts list???
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I'd just call john at floor it and get one of his. It's a nice solid piece, and it's only about 40-50 bucks. That way you don't screw up your stock valve.
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Originally Posted by jlibert
I'd just call john at floor it and get one of his. It's a nice solid piece, and it's only about 40-50 bucks. That way you don't screw up your stock valve.
I agree with jlibert , that's what I did anyway.
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You don't screw up anything...just tap the banjo bolt!

The plug can be removed and all is normal!

Or...you can spend $50. lol
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Just tap the banjo bolt and put in a steel plug. It will cost you a dollar and is reversable. That is how I did mine and it works great.

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Originally Posted by 2007 5.9
Going to plug it tomorrow...anyone have pics of the process???

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Less, I too have the same symptoms as you. 4-5 SECOND starts after truck has been sitting for awhile. Started after i installed and used the mp-8. Let me know how it turns out for you. I may try and cap my rail to and see what happens. Lets keep each other informed. I would like to see some pix or a write up on the process.
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Wait, I have the dual feed line, I guess that eliminates the valve for me......


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