jtb, could you pm or post some info on the kenwoods? Does it have gps? I was considering goin with pioneer but for 400 I would definately reconsider.

 

Do some research on the caraudioforums.com, you'll be suprised at the quality of the Kenwood Excelon products. I did all the research and found the KDC -x889 to be the best bet for me. Has great sound quality and even got it new with a 3 year warr for $300 cheaper than I would have at the local audio shop.