? Anybody have input about the cam and springs question, maybe then I'll get a Smarty with stack like milkmaze said for adjustability. Also - - -how often do you guys change the program on your Smarty? Thanks, Nelson

 

Stacking is a good option. Thats what I did with my Triple Dog. Ran the Triple Dog on Tow/Ecomomy and used the my Edge EZ to control more power output...it worked really well. And if I wanted to bump it up even more...just plug in the Triple Dog really quick.

I will say...my truck "feels" faster on the SW #3 and #5 (main settings I use) than it ever did with the Performance and Crazy Larry tunes on my Triple Dog. The case with Crazy Larry is probably because my TQ converter was slipping and couldnt put the power to the ground

I've used SW #3 and #5 the most and the provide more than enough power for my daily driving, towing, and occasional "racing" needs Everybody who has stepped up....has tasted my soot

 

Right. One time. And what percent of download does it show you when you change levels? None. Because all it is doing at that point is exactly what a Juice or Quad does.

 

First of all, I never bashed the BDDL or built up the Smarty. All I did was state a difference in how they work.

What part did I "make up" anyway?

 

I can't believe there's been 3 pages wasted on this topic, come on guys.

 

according to buddy, there is a map change that occurs when you switch power levels, not just on initial download. if that's true (i will have to take buddy's word on that), it would make the td a true programmer/downloader, and not the same as a box like quad or juice. i am absolutely not an expert on the inner workings of a programmer, and will assume that buddy's explanation is correct, but would certainly be interested if you have info that this is incorrect.

 

you stated that there was some false advertising in bd's claims, but if in fact there is a map change on each power setting, their claim is exactly true. if there isn't, then your statements are pretty accurate. btw, no grief meant, have just seen a lot of stuff on this forum recently, that has been less than kind about bd, and they have always been nothing but a stand up company to me and my friends, who have used their products for years.

 

Maybe you are confusing the outlook and the BDTD. The outlook will work on any truck and defuel, so to speak, to reduce power. The BDTD uploads a program to the ECM that will allow you to plug the BDTD back in and change the power level. It's not smoke and mirrors and it does not work like a pressure box.

The BDTD might not deliver the power you want but it's not junk by any stretch.

Andy

 

I think the reason the BD gets a "smoke and mirrors" label is due to the way it works. You're not really uploading 3 or 4 different programs. You're uploading a single program and when you change on the fly it just cuts the power level down from that single program.

Sure it works and you definitely notice more or less power when changing levels. The issue is that the "Tow" or "Economy" tunes are not designed for towing or economy at all. All they are is the CL or Performance tunes with less overall power.

For example, take a look at the Smarty "economy" tune. It's completely different from the regular tunes (additional timing etc).

 

You're wrong, but i can't make you understand it.

Andy

 

That's a good one. I'm wrong, but you can't explain why.

Since you feel you know better, please feel free to enlighten the rest of us who are "wrong". Surely someone in the bunch will be capable of understanding you.

 

This is not rocket science but it was probably a lot of programming work. Switching levels on the BDTD nets the same result as uploading a new program with your diablo, smarty, ppe, etc. Most of the operating parms in the ECM are in tables. All these programmers are doing is changing those tables. BD added additional program or used some kind of buried preexisting functionality to allow them to load up "sets" of tables and switch them while it's running. When you plug in your BDTD to change levels it's talking to a new function in the ECM, telling it to "switch" to one of the other additional sets of tables that were put in there when the BDTD was first installed. It's along the same lines of turning the backup horn function off, changing the tire size, etc.

Get it?

Andy

 

Lol...yeah I get it. Nice theory, but that isn't how it works at all. Do some more research and you might find out how they both really work. The differences are surprising to say the least.

 

So tell me how it works then.

Andy

 

I did and you even quoted it in your response.