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Old Jun 27, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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Cool Ramifier & BDDL

Was fixing to stack them just wanted to know any ideas? Heard it was a great combo.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 01:47 AM
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It is a great stack. I ran it for over 10K and never had a single issue. But you have to be very careful because it is a lot to throw at a stock tranny and turbo. Endorse rolling starts from a red light empty and play w/ the magical **** towing and most of all pay attention and you should be fine.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 09:39 AM
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I love mine,I usually run the performance program seem to have more top end than the extreme,and just performs better on my truck,but will make massive torque,I went thru 4 clutchs before I got the SB dual disk!!!!Love the power and torgue,stack and have loads of fun!!!!
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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I presently have a Ramifier and am pretty happy with it alone, but ya know how it is.....more is sometimes better, so when you say "STACK", how do you do plug the other unit in?
Also, can anyone please tell me what the Ramifier has shown them on the dyno?
I am running a 600, Aeroturbine, Scotty lll, and oh yeah....the CAT must have fallen off somewhere. It feels good, but it would be nice to know what I am actually putting out now, and what I could expect with stacking.
Thanks folks!
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Old Jul 5, 2005 | 09:42 PM
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Haulin'

The BDDL is a downloader. It reflashes the ECM so there is not another box to plug into the other. So the stack is not like others that involve two boxes.

I can't give you dyno numbers but I can say the S.O.P. dyno was quite pleased w/ it.
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 01:16 AM
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That stack has got to produce rail pressures that would definitely qualify as "Extreme." You guys don't worry about injector problems popping up down the road due to prolonged exposure to high rail pressures?
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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My rail pressure is no higher than it was with just the Ramifier,the BDDL didn't raise it from what I have seen!!!!
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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My rail pressure is no higher than it was with just the Ramifier,the BDDL didn't raise it from what I have seen!!!!
OK. Just wondering if you guys had thought about it. It has been a while since we had a good thread on the effects of high rail pressures and folks have a tendency to forget over time. Nothing wrong with pressure in moderation, but turned all the way up all the time can lead to some nasty injector issues.

Here is a thought......If you are taking your rail pressure readings from the rail pressure sensor, whether with an Outlook Monitor or some other digital gauge, it is probably not that accurate as the sensor itself is not capable of reading over 26,000 psi (plus or minus a few). The RAMifier by itself has been shown to raise pressure to the 27,000+ psi region.

The BDDL on Performance adds 30hp worth of pressure and the Extreme program adds 50hp worth of pressure, according to BullyDog. Again just approximations, results may vary. I don't know how they work together though. Your results are probably right in that it wouldn't be a compounding effect. Max pressure attained would probably be the same with just the RAMifier and with the BDDL stacked.

Here is a good read on injectors and pressure boxes: http://www.nwbombers.com/forum/index...howtopic=13895
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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AK RAM,

When the Ramifier/ MP8 is installed it is not possible to exceed rail pressure. We are the only company that uses digital technology to program these units. We can set the rail pressure to whatever psi the application desires. Just to prove my statement, to date we have never blown a fuel rail because as long as the Ramifier/ MP8 is installed to the factory sensors on the engine the Ramifier/ MP8 will not let it produce damaging pressures.

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From my experience that is correct.
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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That is not the reminder I was trying to throw out there. I am not referring to the limits of the rail or the limits of the relief valve. The rail itself is good to 29,000 psi and the relief valve will pop and bleed off pressure long before it ever reaches that point. A rail failure should never be expected. What I'm trying to remind folks of is the documented damage that high pressures can do to your injectors. It only takes an additional 60 rwhp via pressure over long term use to do that.
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Dennis Perry
We are the only company that uses digital technology to program these units.

Ok I want to hear this explanation. Before I rant and rave lets hear it.

We will play on an even field.

How is the EZ not digital and you are?
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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all edge boxes use analog circuitry to modify boost. i've yet to see one that maps it it to a table and then back to analog. as for fuel pressure, i am not positive but it looks they multiply by a value since i have not seen any changes in waveforms on the scope. again, no look up table. i am sure dennis is refering to the fact its easily reprogrammable with any type of waveform.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 10:01 AM
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I ran the stack on my '03 and was quite impressed. Keep an eye on your EGT's,mine were spooky...
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by joeservo
all edge boxes use analog circuitry to modify boost. i've yet to see one that maps it it to a table and then back to analog. as for fuel pressure, i am not positive but it looks they multiply by a value since i have not seen any changes in waveforms on the scope. again, no look up table. i am sure dennis is refering to the fact its easily reprogrammable with any type of waveform.
So then since you explained it, it is safe to assume that you are not the ONLY one using digital technology.

Also you do not have to change a waveform to be digital. The take the analog signal and put it into an A/D then add by a value and send it back out through the D/A, so technically if they use a processor they are digital.

On the otherhand, we are digital as well. So my point was that they are multiple digital modules in use.
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