Well I ordered a super gen but I had some questions about the install. They emailed me back and told me to install HHO output hose AFTER the intercooler. This is a boost environment. Can someone explain to me how this would work because I have no conception as to how it can. Especially since the hydrogen/oxygen is not under pressure and gets drawn by engine vacuum similar to propane injection. If I installed output into the boosted side of my intake, it'd just push the HHO back to the super gen (and probably result in a massive boost leak also)... They said the hyrdrogen would ignite due to high temps of the turbo, but they mentioned 900degrees. Intake air pre and post turbo MIGHT get as hot as 500degrees as I've read...

Edit- just emailed me again and told me that "pressure equalization" is what will allow it to work....? Anyone understand this principle?
btw- the website is http://fuelfromh2o.com/index.html

 

Hmmm. It sound like a magnetic snake oil injector problem:-). My simple understanding of physics tells me youi can't get more power out of the generator than you put into so net zero. If I were you I would skip the Hydrogen instalation and get a good tire gauge.

 

I asked that same question on another forum a while back and never got a reply. I bumped it back to the top of the list a while later and still no reply. I'm with Shutup with this one, sounds like snake oil!!!

 

I have had one of these units installed for about 4 months now. My first unit burned up & they sent me another improved one free of charge. I have documented zero fuel savings & asked to return unit to "get a full refund" as stated in their warranty policy. They now tell me that they sent me a replacement unit free of charge & that any further warranty is denied. There are a lot of real companies working on this technology & I would wait until one of them comes up with a proven technology specifically for turbo diesel application that doesn't require you to hack into your intercooler output line. , you have a one shot warranty, personally I would use it to get your money back asap.

 

I have a friend who was selling these units a while back. He offered me one for free to test. I declined, but we came up with some interesting results when we bench tested it..

1. It has a pretty high amp draw to warm up the hydrogen generator. 20 to 25 amps if I remember correctly.

2. Really didn't start producing hydrogen until about 35 mins after it was started. So unless you run long trips all the time (taxi, city bus, commercial delivery) You're not likely to see any gains.

I don't remember the name of the unit, but it looked vey well built. Not practical for my use.

 

I see the last post on here was December 2006. Has anyone heard any recent news about hydrogen injection? Has the company (MagDrive) made any improvements in the last year and a half?

The reason I ask is a friend of mine is now the distributor for all of South Texas, and he can cut me a deal on a unit.

I am very skeptical though. Read this "testimonal" from their website...I got a good laugh outta it.

"Hi guys, well i finally got to finish counting up my reciepts and a tally on the odometer.So here it is: start mileage198902 end mileage199822. 920 miles on 27 gallons of fuel .that equates to 34 mpg. Thats from sea level to 4000 ' elevation on a 5.9 litre cummins with 199822 miles on it, driving at or above the speed limit just about 99.9 % of the time."

I would love to get 34 mpg in my cummins. So like I said, has anyone heard if this system is worth a crap now?

 

I'd like to see even the most basic of enthalpy calculations on this, but I find it hard to believe that you could liberate more energy from the water in the form of H2 than it would take to turn the alternator to produce the electricity needed to liberate said energy. In addition, there's got to be huge percentage energy losses in these systems, from the alternator, the H2 generator, the H2 collection system, the whole thing.

Even if you assume 100 percent efficiency, how many BTUs/hr of H2 could you add to the engine? Compare that to the BTUs of fuel you burn in that same hour going down the road. Gonna be a very small percentage in the best of cases, I'd venture.

 

Wondering the same...anyone have experience with this?

 

Man theirs some gullible folks out their.

 

Yea, I see that crap on craigs list all the time. It ranks right up there with the home based business scams, or the multitude of free government grant adds.......Pay off you bills and never be in dept again...What a load of @#$@

 

I especially like slide 17 of 35 from their website. 0 RPM and 19.59% O2, in fact all the test screen shots show 0 RPM. Air typically is 21% so it appears they are showing the reading of the air in the shop. Of course the slides are taken in California so the unburned HC is normally a little higher due to the extra stingent EPA regulations there, hence reducing the O2 content of the air thus affecting their brains. The Georgia state emissions test is another goodie; I had an '89 Ford F-250 5.8L gasser that had similiar readings, and I just maintained the vehicle well. I'm not suprised they didn't use a 2006 vehicle where the emission standards are much stricker.

Here is another aspect I like. With a 5.9L Cummins every 2 turns of the crank we are stuffing more than 5.9L of air into the cylinders with the turbo. How much additional hydrogen and oxygen do you think is going into each cylinder on the intake stoke, not a measureable amount. The hydrogen fuel cell is on its way but it is not here yet at a price that the consumer can afford. "Snake oil" is a compliment, out right lies are more like it.

L8r,.........dogger

 

We all know it sounds like a load of crap, I was just asking if anyone had seen this stuff work. Maybe their is some magical chemical reaction if you set it up just right. No need to be rude. You gotta admit it would be nice!

 

Have you talked to TREE DR? He was the first one I ever saw with one. I think he posted some results on his home built kit. Pretty neat. And interestingly scary.

 

Theres 2 guys at work that are trying to make a fuel cell. They watched some videos on Youtube and got the idea. Theres some guy on there with a Escort that claims he went over 100mi on 4oz water. What I dont understand about all these fuel cells is that most of them use very little water. I aint no scientist by any means (theres one for you Tristan ) but it seems to me there is only X amount of hydrogen and oxygen inside a ounce of water. I cant see where 4oz. water has that much hydrogen in it to pretty much equal 3+ gallons of gas. Heres a piece I got from an article that explains it pretty well.

Energy Out:
20 liters per hour is a very small volume. It works out to 0.706 cubic feet. Hydrogen has a BTU content of 324.2 btu/cf. Air and Oxygen have no BTU content. Let's be generous and say 100% of the 20 liters is Hydrogen. The 20 liters per hour of hydrogen would have an energy value of 229 btu per hour.

Energy In:
Lets assume the battery is operating at only 12 volts vs 13.5 volts or more that would typically be present
7 amps x 12 volts = 84 watts
The conversion factor is 1 watt hr = 3.4 btu.
So the 7 amp draw converts to 285.6 btu per hour.

Energy in is more than energy out, and this is being generous on the assumptions.

One of the larger units says it generates 50 liters at a 7 to 12 amp current draw.
Energy Out of 50 liters would be 572.2 btu.
Energy In: Being generous and only using the same 7 amp draw and 100% mechanical and electrical efficiencies to provide that 7 amps would yield the same 285.6 btu.

The net energy out is 286.6 btu per hour.
Now we have positive energy. But what impact could that make.

Lets say you burn 1 gallon of gasoline per hour. If you travel a constant 30 mph, you would have 30 mile per gallon. That seems reasonable for a fuel consumption.
A gallon of gasoline contains about 125,000 btu. So your fuel requirement in a thrifty engine may be 125,000 btu per hour. The website claims an average of 15% fuel economy increase.
15% of 125,000 btu = 18,750 btu
In my book, the net energy of 286.6 btu from the hydrogen falls a tad short of the 18,750 btu.
286.6 btu is only about 0.22% of the energy content of a gallon of gasoline. It would roughly be equal to about 0.3 ounces of gasoline.

The argument that the Oxygen in the Oxy-hydrogen improves the burn does not add up either. The 20 to 50 liters per hr that is generates pales when compared to the thousands of cubic feet of air that the engine ingests during a 1 hour period.

 

Hello,

It is impossible for the homemade devices to do a darn thing. If on the extreme outside chance they could produce any significant amount of Hydrogen(which they cannot). It's catalyst effect would be used up on the 1st injection cycle and do nothing for second and third events. It is not injected into the chamber like the fuel. There is so many physical laws that prohibit the homebrew kits described on the tread form working it is not funny. I view it as the typical eccentric people who like to hope for some magical combination that somehow decades of experts have not been able to find. This hydrogen thing started in the 50's. This is almost 60 year old info. It is just coming around on the wheel of life due to the high fuel costs and human hope. It is purely entertainment for better grounded folk.

Damon