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Old 10-25-2006, 02:37 PM
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Ah HA!

I wasn't as wrong as you thought I thought I was!

As long as it's not throwing codes, it is indeed "fooling" in the sense of the word.
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Originally Posted by LooseBoltsRob
WOW! I hope your exhaust is the cause for those EGTs! My Crazy Larry w/ boost fooler only sees 1350, but I haven't run it that long and hard in high gear yet. It seems to level off though around 1350. I also have a banks intercooler (had an 05 plastic POS and didn't want to wait for it to break), which could help keep the EGTs down. Hopefully the Smarty w/ boost fooler will keep EGTs similar to the crazy larry w/ boost fooler.
That run this moring was the Smarty on 7, boostfoller, and EZ on 3. Smarty is realy taking the stock turbo past its limit.
Old 10-25-2006, 03:22 PM
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Smarty on 7, boostfoller, and EZ on 3. Smarty is realy taking the stock turbo past its limit.
Nope, not Smarty, the boost fooler does. Smarty alone with the software as it is today does NOT raise the boost. The 30 Psi boost limit is still there!
What allows for the higher boost is the fooled signal to the ECM.

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Old 10-25-2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Marco
Nope, not Smarty, the boost fooler does. Smarty alone with the software as it is today does NOT raise the boost. The 30 Psi boost limit is still there!
What allows for the higher boost is the fooled signal to the ECM.

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Okay, I'm confused. I thought the smarty will hit 40 psi on 04.5+ trucks?? But it doesn't do boost fooling? Please explain to us how a 04.5 truck will reach and hold 40 psi with ONLY a smarty programmer.

Thanks!
Old 10-25-2006, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Marco
Nope, not Smarty, the boost fooler does. Smarty alone with the software as it is today does NOT raise the boost. The 30 Psi boost limit is still there!
What allows for the higher boost is the fooled signal to the ECM.

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I mean fueling wise not boost. aka I need a new turbo to keep down EGTs.
Old 10-25-2006, 04:55 PM
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so if i was running a smarty by itself should i get a boost fooler? also how much psi will the boost fooler allow?
thank you!
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Hell I just wish I could afford a Smarty.
Old 10-25-2006, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hyunsinsone
so if i was running a smarty by itself should i get a boost fooler? also how much psi will the boost fooler allow?
thank you!
I can run about 45lbs of boost

Honestly, I think the boostfooler will kill your stock turbo pretty quick if you lay into often.

But hey, then you get to buy a new one!
Old 10-25-2006, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by P.J
Ah HA!

I wasn't as wrong as you thought I thought I was!

As long as it's not throwing codes, it is indeed "fooling" in the sense of the word.
umm earlier we were talking about higher boost psi. As Marco stated, he HAS NOT released software that will raise boost psi....so i'm still right

Honestly, I think the boostfooler will kill your stock turbo pretty quick if you lay into often.
I ran 45psi for a couple of months with Crazy Larry. No ill effects yet but i agree, its a time bomb. Thats why i don't do it anymore...thats what sent me looking for other options.
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ok here is some of my experiances. with the smarty i saw a high of 40 psi (no boost fooler installed.) with the crazy larry i saw 38 psi (again no boost fooler) so any box that changes fuel will fool boost to a point because i still have no codes. and still dont run a boost fooler i dont see the need too. with the smarty stacked with my pressure box i saw 42 psi on the dyno. (still no boost fooler.)
Old 10-25-2006, 08:02 PM
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Hmmmm.

What now 973604x4 ?

The man says NO boost fooler.


BTW, I was talking in regards to the "fooling" (earlier), which was part of the conversation.

More fuel = more boost. Now if you have a wastegate dumping it, or the ECM dropping overboost codes, that is another story.

Marco should give an opinion as to what is considered "fooling", some of us must be confused.
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Really, answering LooseBoltsRob's question/comment would shed some light too.
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Those of you that run the Smarty on a stock drivetrain, what setting do you run it on all the time?
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Originally Posted by P.J
Really, answering LooseBoltsRob's question/comment would shed some light too.
Exactly....I asked a pretty straight forward question. Marco??? Did you see my question? My Crazy Larry tune w/o the boost fooler will only hit 32 psi, then back WAYYYYYY down past 3,000 RPM....like 25 psi. Top end power is horrible, EGTs skyrocket. With the boost fooler, it hits and almost holds 40-41 psi the whole time with a small drop past 3000. EGTs are amazingly cooler....like 200 degrees! I have never seen 45 psi...maybe a spike to 42-43 at best. Anyway....I really want to know how the smarty can make 40 psi on 04.5+ trucks without an instant defuel by the PCM as soon as it flies past 30-32, thus making EGTs soar.
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Here's my guess on what Marco is doing with the SMARTY. SMARTY is not boost fooling in the traditional sense. What the program is doing is masking the ECM from the over boost code that is set that causes the defueling condition.

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